[03:49:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:52:43] wtf [03:52:48] who even uses this [03:52:52] why is it whie [03:52:53] white [03:52:55] help [03:52:56] People [03:53:16] Hi [03:53:20] im zaos [03:53:22] Hi [03:53:22] who are u [03:53:28] hi [03:53:34] lol [03:53:36] IM Zaos [03:53:42] WHUTUDOING [03:53:43] Oh god everyones joining [03:53:43] hi zaos [03:53:46] y e s [03:53:50] hi emmet [03:53:57] who even uses this bullshit [03:53:58] someone sent a link on the ksp discord [03:54:00] i do [03:54:04] it's not blocked at school [03:54:07] so yeah [03:54:24] I have returned [03:54:29] who's you [03:54:33] Austin [03:54:39] oh nice [03:54:45] Ye [03:54:46] Hi [03:54:51] wow zaos [03:54:54] hmmmmm [03:55:00] lol [03:55:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+b *!*@pool-72-74-19-66.bstnma.fios.verizon.net' by TheKosmonaut!~sid152460@2001:67c:2f08:2::2:538c [03:56:25] lmao this guy [04:00:09] That guy is now bant [04:02:20] Hi [04:02:45] Why eont any one hel me set up my bbs [04:02:58] I have my modem in the user port [04:03:48] Sup boyos its pines [04:07:10] Hi [04:07:26] Will you help me set up my bbs now [04:07:43] BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEM [04:07:51] I already got my modem [04:15:35] I need help with a rocket [04:59:52] DrEmmettBrown: don't link us to discord if you have done so before [05:01:39] These people joining behave like discord types and I would really prefer not having to ban multiple people [05:01:49] hehe [05:01:56] what are the discord types? [05:02:02] Theyre about as funny as their names are creative [05:02:09] Althego: oh you missed it [05:02:14] !logs [05:02:24] not logs :) [05:02:35] Uhh.. Whatever Mod9000's command for that is [05:03:06] Mod9000: logs please? [05:03:58] papers, please [05:04:44] Glory to Artstotzka [05:05:06] One of the few games that made me cry haha [05:05:21] I believe I got the good ending so it was quite nice [05:05:49] i think there are several [05:05:59] make revolution, escape, etc [05:25:02] I did the escape with family one [05:25:23] I dont know if you can do revolution without everyone dying? [05:25:41] i didnt finish it. required too much concentration [06:21:51] hah, systematic classification of life ep31. and aron is dressed as worf lol [07:00:18] phonewalking https://twitter.com/stdaux/status/1013041539981832193 [07:00:19] iM¹ÞÛ’\Š~W_ https://t.co/SPYwoow5Bh [07:01:43] waling phone? [07:01:47] walking [07:02:11] the crane below it is more interesting [07:02:22] too bad it doesnt walk on its legs just uses them to stabilize [07:06:41] from 2 ips [07:10:04] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:33:08] another sunrise launch video of the crs launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xIQ_mlS2g [07:33:08] YouTube - CRS-15 Gorgeous Sunrise Launch! [08:46:29] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:01:19] i didnt think there was much aerodynamics in a lawnmower [09:01:37] just needs to suck the grass up [09:01:45] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LjN3UclYzU [09:01:46] YouTube - The Missile Knows Where it is (Remix) [09:01:57] yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GlJFVTzEsI [09:01:58] YouTube - How Lawn Mower Blades Cut Grass (at 50,000 FRAMES PER SECOND) - Smarter Every Day 196 [09:01:59] I can't get over that "the missile knows where it is" stuff btw [09:02:05] yeah I've seen that [09:02:19] I was like "yeah first thing I learned in mechanics school" [09:02:25] hehe [09:02:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:03:09] that's the difference between peoples that do the theory and peoples that do the practice [09:03:22] we may not understand but it works [09:03:43] man that missile thing, we were over that a few years ago. i still worked in my previous job [09:03:51] i just bought it up again this week [09:04:07] it's the greatest thing ever [09:04:22] the best comment is "worst description of a PID loop ever" [09:04:33] it is far more than that [09:04:56] it is about inertial guidence, maybe also kalman filter [09:05:20] no it's about knowing where you are and where you want to bez [09:05:33] and where you were [09:05:41] and where you aren't [09:05:54] it is distinctly something discrete in this [09:06:10] Oh, I see there was fun in the channel tonight, and I missed it :/ [09:06:33] the not fun and unimaginative discord people? [09:06:35] https://youtu.be/na9rT0B3uaA [09:06:36] YouTube - MOMENTS 2017 [09:06:41] and i havent met them [09:08:14] and there is some probabilistic in this. tries to correct for measurement problems [09:08:34] a pid loop wouldnt do that. at least a state observer or something [09:11:32] As a person who recently made a drone, I can confirm that a guidance algorithm is 30% integrators, 30% sensor fusion, 30% PID loops and 10% of the random stuff that a program is made of and noone understand whatever it is and how it works [09:11:46] hehe [09:12:04] ultimatley nobody understand anything now. because they are too complex and made by many people [09:15:28] https://i.imgur.com/mFvrJba.gifv [09:16:09] instand bouncy castle [09:17:13] Rokker im halfway done researching the vautour [09:17:20] speedyboy will be mine this week [09:20:15] where is my cheat menu [09:20:19] ksp where it is [09:20:28] where it was [09:20:31] in alt-f12 [09:20:33] no it isn't [09:20:41] then there is a list on the left [09:20:50] and in the middle of that there is cheat [09:21:03] and that opens down to several sub things [09:21:07] like orbit setting [09:23:07] but i want in hangar [09:23:15] I just want to turn on parts clipping it's all I need [09:23:15] it works there too [09:23:39] i never understood what the purpose of that was [09:23:44] you can already clip parts without it [09:23:52] makes it easier [09:24:05] so you can snap parts in nodes that have stuff on them already [09:38:15] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLJegq01S6A [09:38:16] YouTube - Crow riding windshield wipers [09:52:10] Now I want an instant bouncy castle too [09:52:46] elon is making one big, or so i have heard :) [10:10:03] Althego, late reply but I think the crab crane can walk, somewhat [10:28:09] Althego, hmm, appears they can't actually walk [10:28:47] waling construction machines, that is what we need for a better world [10:32:40] well, there's spider exacavators https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXkpsnQmK6A [10:32:40] YouTube - Euromach Spider Excavator [10:34:08] :3 [10:34:18] that was a productive game https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/462928859948646401/20180701123243_1.jpg [10:34:40] I can potentially get the vautour today if I play really hard [10:35:23] dtill not enough for rl patlabor [10:36:17] idk what you tried to say but yeah [10:36:31] only the first char is a typo [10:37:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ekViJz03hg [10:37:56] YouTube - Patlabor OVA Opening (English, HD) [10:38:07] walking construction machine [10:39:32] apparently what i remember was the ova intro, but i didnt find that in english [10:41:05] no, i meant the tv intro [10:41:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:00:05] kumamoto castle under reconstruction https://twitter.com/yukinami_jp/status/1011907175730405377 [11:00:06] ÊånŠ,Î©ç\mo@Ÿk2“gD‹ˆFgY~‹gËó¸ãÐÃÈÞó„*eÍkg‚{4W]FjÿnŠ,ÎL‹‰Œ‹noÊ`QŠ,kJDgjoŠ~c[ https://t.co/LmR0wXZ98Z [11:00:25] kinda looks like they were able to save the top but demolished most of what was below [11:01:02] also the concrete and yellow steels looks like came from a previous reconstruction effort [11:01:51] somehow reminds me of samurai pizza cats :) [11:58:31] Hi [11:58:38] h i [11:58:54] hah, managed to avoid the automatic response from the bot [11:59:28] Wow it automaticly changes my nickname lol. [11:59:36] dont do that [11:59:50] Okay [11:59:54] not you [12:00:03] the one controlling the bot [12:00:07] Oh ok [12:00:19] Hi [12:00:24] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [12:00:24] :/ [12:00:30] Hello, Althego [12:00:31] ;D [12:00:36] Hello, Althego [12:00:38] Hello, Spacy_Cheese [12:00:39] hello, lain [12:00:45] Hello, Deddly [12:01:03] :| [12:01:29] hmm, somehow i feel like i want to play oni [12:01:38] i wonder if it still works [12:01:49] Mhm [12:02:11] Althego [12:03:59] ok. [12:05:01] Spacy_Cheese committed suicide [12:05:10] not recommended [12:05:50] Goodbye, fake bot [12:05:56] it is a real bot [12:06:11] Okay Okay [12:06:12] but you can talk over it [12:06:18] if you are the owner [12:06:45] K [12:06:57] Do you have discord? [12:08:12] Don't Leave MEEEEEHH [12:08:26] you are not alone [12:08:35] Fuck [12:08:42] Er [12:08:52] Spacy_Cheese, please mind the langueage [12:09:01] language* [12:09:11] Sorry, it was a test for hashtags [12:10:45] Yay, Im finally alone! [12:11:07] NOW IM REALLY ALONE [12:11:25] Nvm [12:11:41] YAY!!! [12:12:33] WEEEE [12:12:40] BOOOOO [12:12:56] Spacy_Cheese: take your meds and chill [12:13:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:13:14] Okay [12:14:02] wssrewqawertghyujkl,km [12:14:10] Oops [12:14:21] I fault this was KSP\ [12:14:38] I think this joker needs a kick in the butt [12:14:55] :- [12:15:00] consult deddly, aplayer [12:15:02] Spacy_Cheese: Sorry, do you need help with things? [12:15:13] Yes [12:15:21] What is it? [12:15:42] I don't know how to orbit in KSP [12:15:55] :/ [12:15:58] ttry to hit the planet but miss :) [12:16:11] Have you tried a memory wipe and rewriting the information to your brain? [12:16:15] No, j/k :P [12:16:29] Try to drop a giant nuke at duna [12:16:30] So, what do you try to get to orbit? [12:16:43] Idk [12:17:05] I didnt even buildt a rocket [12:17:08] there is a ksp discord. but there is too much activity going on to follow if you are doing something else, so i am not on it [12:17:14] I highly recommend you read this: https://what-if.xkcd.com/58/ [12:17:23] Thanks [12:17:37] .... [12:17:57] weekends... gotta love em.. gotta hate em... :\ [12:17:59] Spacy_Cheese: When you're done, highlight me and we shall have a lesson on how to build rockets [12:18:19] K [12:20:57] lol... yay go xkcd.. [12:21:46] ... now I wanna launch a telephone pole... ;P [12:22:28] soundimg rockets are pretty much that [12:22:45] Im done [12:22:46] a telephone skin would be a nice touch of course :) [12:23:00] so how much is a launch for a sounding rocket that goes up to say 200 km [12:23:42] Idk [12:24:12] I have a memory of an goldfish [12:24:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:24:58] I would think testing goldfish memory capacity is rather difficult [12:25:14] Mhm [12:25:20] probably not [12:25:26] whole lot of ecology done with fish [12:25:31] er etology [12:25:51] whatever [12:25:52] I dunno... like 2300m/sec of dV to go suborbital to 200km. [12:27:12] Im working on this model In real life https://www.revellspecialist.nl/space-shuttle-atlantis.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw9-HZBRAwEiwAGw0QcaTAgSurXymwMhjdRR760Y-xuB8bUwk-4R0q0_DoPy3-6Y473_vQWxoC3MAQAvD_BwE [12:27:18] I remember reading of a study which debunked that earlier study which claimed that goldfish memroy is only 3 minutes or whatever it was [12:27:19] But as something to do with aerospace... it'll easily be $20,000 or more. [12:27:41] expensice [12:29:25] Well, the materials that have enough density and durability to even into space are kinda costly. [12:30:03] Along with the extensive certification nessisary. [12:30:40] for launching a kg of instruments into space? [12:32:19] kind of depends on what you wanna do... [12:32:34] Either get expensive alloys and designs for an engine... or get a bunch of explosives. Your choice. [12:32:50] solid rocket, spin stabilized [12:32:59] not much needed, it is basically a tube full of explosives [12:33:11] And something that can be classified as a missile... good luck. [12:33:24] ah that [12:33:26] Japan has done it [12:33:40] 3 stager got a cube sat into orbit [12:34:43] Well yea... the rocket equasion and all that are much easier for tiny payloads. [12:34:53] Althego slow burning explosives.. last thing you want is to have it all go off at once. :\ [12:35:10] But the practicallity of some random person going "i want to build something that is 1 IED short of a ballistic missile" [12:35:16] actually in payload mass fuel is linear. in delta it is exponential [12:35:25] delta-v [12:36:00] lol... launching rockets with stick of tnt... ya.... [12:36:01] yes, but the dry mass of the craft for that payload mass rises much faster due to the need for the rocket to survive. [13:03:56] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:07:37] https://twitter.com/shahgazer/status/1013250602984398848 [13:07:38] My 2nd set on the planetary apparent size for 29-30 June 2018. Î Î Mars is certainly big! Î Î https://t.co/Cu0VNimX8Y& https://t.co/QlkCJR3rpX [13:09:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:30:52] Back [13:31:36] Hello..? [13:32:48] Someone? [13:33:05] :/ [13:35:11] ;--------; [13:35:23] what [13:35:35] Oh nothing [13:35:49] I just wanna talk with somwbody [13:36:04] Somebody* [13:41:27] Action: TheKosmonaut points at discord [13:42:45] left [14:13:28] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:45:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:00:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:38:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:39:54] https://i.redd.it/b7jghb3gac711.jpg [16:43:03] https://xkcd.com/681/ <-- how does this translate into a dV map? [16:44:14] probably not directly, because horizontal ditance is not modeled [16:47:05] Hard to say. Something something energy something momentum. [16:47:40] my simple understanding of orbital physics is that distance doesn't actually matter much? [16:48:29] because most of the time you don't spend energy, the distance travelled during that time should be irrelevant? [16:49:03] Distance should be irrelevant in a perfect hohmann transfer, I guess? This map does not account for inclination, though [16:49:38] No, distance between orbits should be irrelevant, but orbital speed of the target planets would definitely matter [16:50:36] but the orbital speed is already included in that planet's energy level? [16:52:44] i mean, if you follow the line from venus to earth, you got venus' well, then it flattens out, which i guess roughly equates to "SoI Edge", then there's a huge climb, and then it flattens out for earth's "SoI edge" [16:53:28] The flat/steep parts are a result of scaling the image, I believe [16:54:11] Ideally it would follow a 1/r^2 curve, I think [16:54:49] well, if you ignore the planets, and only connect the highest tips of the curve? [16:55:36] That would mean the interplanetary distances are to scale, which they are not [17:01:41] "You could escape Deimos with a bike and a ramp." Escape velocity is independent of direction, so no ramp needed, unless you need it for friction during acceleration. [17:02:51] yeah if you try to get off the ground before you have reached escape velocity but enough velocity to lift a bit you will fall back eventualy [17:02:53] well, the ramp might help if you want to go a specific direction :p [17:04:17] i think friction will be a problem between orbital velocity and escape velocity [17:04:41] A slanted circular track would work, but that's a ramp, kind of. [17:05:10] well, the surface is considered flat :p [17:05:14] Or some mechanical or thruster based push down. [17:05:35] or a good kick in the butt [17:05:38] but where to you get thrusters for your bike on deimos? [17:05:48] In the thruster shop. [17:06:06] In the VAB ;). [17:13:00] "A thrown baseball could escape Phobos." How much dv is needed when using Mars' tidal force? [17:13:59] uh [17:14:41] I think this ends up involving that L1 point that's something silly like 5 km away from Phobos. [17:16:23] how much dV does a thrown baseball have anyway? [17:16:49] nothing because it doesn't have stored energy it can use for thrusting itself [17:16:59] unless it is outgassing or something [17:18:14] the act of throwing the baseball is the dV [17:18:34] how much dv is int he arm of the guy throwing then [17:19:03] i'm sure there are loads of people that can recite which baseball player reached what speed [17:19:11] 50 m/s if he's a pro? [17:19:31] unfortunately those people will use weird units [17:19:49] ;wa speed of a baseball [17:19:51] Eddi|zuHause: MLB baseball->maximum speed: 54 m/s (meters per second) [17:21:22] 54 m/s is 194.4 km/h. [17:21:50] That's maybe a hit baseball, not a thrown one. [17:22:14] ;wa throwing speed of a baseball [17:22:17] Eddi|zuHause: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish [17:22:31] ;wa speed of a thrown baseball [17:22:35] Eddi|zuHause: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish [17:22:53] ;wa baseball pitching speed [17:22:57] Eddi|zuHause: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish [17:23:01] i give up [17:23:02] Action: UmbralRaptor hears 100 mph tossed around as a good fastball speed, which isn't much under 50 m/s. [17:24:17] IIRC I've moved my hand at about 60 km/h in front of a car speed display. [17:24:41] that is a good deal below 50m/s :p [17:25:06] I'm not a baseball pro, though. [17:25:15] So I expect they'd to better. [17:26:46] Why are we talking about 50 m/s? Escape velocity 11.39 m/s (41 km/h) [17:27:34] I guess that's without Mars' tidal force. [18:05:44] how does tidal force affect escape velocity? [18:06:53] I guess escape velocity is minimally affected by the gravity gradient created by the "parent" body [18:07:35] Mars pulls harder on objects nearby than farther away, so it pulls two such objects apart, if their gravity or internal structure can't compensate it. [18:08:37] It is significant on Phobos or other bodies near the Roche limit. [18:09:32] At the Roche limit you just need to walk to the near or far side of the satellite and you'll float away. [18:10:21] We could build a tower on Phobos where the escape velocity is 0 m/s. [18:11:47] A tower to the L1/2 point. [18:12:41] At the Roche limit (orbital distance) the L1/2 point are at the surface of the satellite. [18:12:55] hehe [18:15:43] Guys, scrub the space elevator plans, we've found a better deal [18:18:29] Action: darsie wonders what KSP would do with a tower extending beyond the SOI. Ahh, it just regards some point of the tower and puts the whole tower either in or out of the SOI. [18:19:30] At one point you'd just cross the SOI border by foot [18:21:03] going to just plunk something like a whole tower in game.. or build it? [18:21:28] Too many parts. [18:21:28] building wise.. things get a little weird when you make it around 2km long [18:21:49] 32000km long single part.. [18:22:45] For a tower you could get away with 12 polys [18:23:12] triangle base, you need only 5 [18:23:16] But I could put a space ship near the SOI and let a beam reach out of it, then let a kerbal climb up outside the SOI and release. [18:24:01] Althego: Alright, 10 polys. No less. You can't define polys other than triangles in KSP, AFAIK [18:24:18] ah yes i forgot about the sides [18:24:38] but still 3*2 + 2 [18:24:42] that is only 8 [18:25:02] Woops, yes, indeed. I counted a triangle base and 4 sides :P [18:25:29] Or you make it a giant pyramid with three sides and get 4 polys :P [18:29:31] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:25:26] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKCuwX-HuZ8 [19:25:26] YouTube - STAR WARS IMPRESSIONS! (Vader, Solo, Finn, Kylo Ren) [19:27:07] Computer Riddle - What gets smaller over time, but while also staying the same size? [19:28:32] Computer storage. [19:28:50] it is actually smaller [19:28:58] i am using an m.2 in this one [19:29:08] and the previous one was 2.5" [19:29:28] which is smaller than the 3.5" standard, that was before it for years [19:30:15] but ram stayed the same size [19:30:17] Draconiator: The number of errors when compiling new code [19:30:30] It gets smaller because you fix the errors, but it stays the same size anyway [19:31:11] o/ [19:31:21] \o/ [19:31:38] Hi [19:31:49] Hello, Mod9000 [19:45:26] Hello, Humans. [19:45:33] me, a fellow human, too, greets you. [19:49:30] Wait, we're supposed to be human? [19:52:44] you can remain a raptor [19:53:02] rawr [19:55:13] Aplayer, I was running on the faxct that like...480MB back in the day seemed like a massive amount of space :P [19:55:45] and while things with that amount of space stayed the same size, that amout seems laughably small these days [19:56:09] Hey, I first learned programming on a TI-83+ Calculator which has a total of 32 kB of RAM (24 kB user accessible) and 150 kB of Flash memory [19:56:17] lol [19:56:19] depending on what you're doing 500 M can be quite sizable [19:56:33] for instance, the IDEA family of IDEs, Visual Studio Code, etc. are all <= 250 MB [19:56:40] and then you have Visual Studio 2017, which is 25 gigabytes. [19:57:09] That's their spying software. :P [20:54:05] my father had a laptop with a 20MB harddisk, that's one of the earliest i can remember, our desktop then had 80MB [20:54:34] which we later updated by a second 420MB disk [20:55:40] and then CDs came out, and people were like "650MB per disk? with that much space you never need harddisks anymore" [20:57:27] but ram stayed the same size <-- RAM definitely got physically bigger over time [21:39:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:02:04] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Venus is less like Earth's twin and more like its ex-spouse that comes to the annual family reunion uninvited. [22:05:22] So . . . Is No Man's Sky still not that good? [22:06:51] some people enjoy it, but i doubt i will ever purchase it. [22:06:59] no mans sky won't ever be good. the technology literally isn't there for it. [22:07:02] it'll forever be a solid 6/10 for me [22:07:45] I'd rate starcraft 2 as 6/10... no mans sky is nowhere near starcraft 2. [22:07:58] KrazyKrl: I only ask because 1. It's, "on sale" and 2. I looove Subnautica. [22:08:00] sc2 is a solid 9/10 for me ;) [22:08:23] Scolar_Visari: you can always refund it <= 2 hours [22:08:37] don't waste your money on no mans sky... they already burned their potential customers; they don't deserve any money. [22:08:43] Action: Scolar_Visari things +pair meant to say Supreme Commander 2. [22:09:05] nope. definitely starcraft. [22:09:18] KrazyKrl: I've also been delightfully surprised by Surviving Mars, which has picqued my interest in the critically unacclaimed Aven Colony. [22:09:29] Action: Scolar_Visari zaps +pair. "No, you mean Supreme Commander 2." [22:11:44] Action: Scolar_Visari looks at the various Farm Simulator games and demands a Medieval farming sim. [22:12:34] Sorry, due to time accelleration; and the average lifespan of children of this era... the game is only limited to one growing season [22:13:55] KrazyKrl: I could see some Harvest Moon relationship mechanics working with this ala negotiating plow team rights, resolving property disputes, talking the lord of the manor down from higher taxes, etc. [22:14:16] "Please m'lord, we won't have enough to feed our children!" [22:26:16] Hrm . . . Post Apocalypse Harvest Moon? [22:26:32] so... harvest moon. [22:27:45]