[00:00:07] we also got some coins that are super light, guessing tin or aluminum [00:01:00] two are from Philippines [00:01:16] Those would almost certainly be modern, as aluminum was rather precious and expensive prior to the 19th Century. [00:02:27] Action: Scolar_Visari would like to thank the Bayer process for making aluminum foil economically feasible, savine many a casserole. [00:03:57] looks like they were in circulation 1983-2000, 99.2% alu, 0.8% manganese [00:04:44] That aluminum should've been used for baking! [00:05:04] its a shame more aluminum isnt reclaimed & recycled, smelting is extremely energy intensive for the resultant product [00:05:51] The U.S. recycles nearly 70% of its aluminum. [00:05:55] alcoa's primary smelter uses as much energy as a small town [00:06:18] yeah, however there is still lots in landfills and salvage yards [00:06:51] Japan recycles about 98% of ALL its metal, and I imagine aluminum's a higher priority. [00:06:57] aircraft especially [00:07:28] Action: Scolar_Visari would prefer aircraft use paper mache materials. [00:07:34] unfortunately, it varies widely state to state and municipality to municipality [00:07:58] That goes without saying. Some communities in the U.S. don't have recycling pickup. [00:08:34] this township has single stream recycling, where all recyclable materials are put in one bin, and everything else in another bin [00:08:51] they take steel, which surprisingly few towns do [00:09:02] ;tell Flurburtur New project: We need to get together and determine the maximum practical size for an aircraft made of nothing more than papermache and wood. [00:09:02] Scolar_Visari: I'll let flurburtur know when I see them [00:09:16] hahaha [00:09:24] THIS IS SERIOUS [00:09:33] use some kind of bio-based epoxy for the paper [00:09:35] This could revolutionize commercial airliners. [00:09:50] but what if it rains? [00:09:53] Joking aside, paper was used in the construction of disposable drop tanks for aircraft in World War II. [00:10:14] paper fuel depot tanks! [00:10:19] I think they used a similar material employed in the doping of fabric coverings. [00:10:39] Well the idea was that paper tanks can't be recycled like metal tanks, which was great since they had to commonly ditch them over German soil. [00:10:49] And it probably saved on materials. [00:11:14] paper is amazing [00:11:24] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders the use of master origami folders for the construction of variable wings. [00:11:31] hahahaha [00:11:38] Supersonic swingwing paper mache jetcraft! [00:11:55] Folding up into a crane position for minimum storage volume. [00:12:34] Woo, 50%. [00:12:38] there is the X-02 wyvern for that [00:12:50] the wings fold inward into thmeselves for fast [00:13:12] Action: transitbiker pictures crews of repairmen frantically pasting new plies in various spots after each flight [00:14:02] Fluburtur: Yeah, but it doesn't get the Falken's laser. [00:14:13] it does have the same engines however [00:14:22] maltesh: 50% of what? Is your download half full or half empty? [00:14:36] Universal Paperclips. [00:14:41] engines made from pressed flower petals o.o [00:15:18] Fluburtur: I think it lacks to Falken's sweet full vision cockpit, too. [00:15:26] jet turbine engines are basically just sophisticated windmills [00:15:39] yeaht eh COFFIN system is rather cool [00:15:46] Well, windmills don't light the air on fire at any point unless they're not working. [00:16:07] well no, but it basically makes its own wind [00:16:12] They're more like Ram Air Turbines. [00:16:16] But gigantic. [00:16:32] Or generator driven propellors operating in reverse. [00:16:46] what plane is it, that ha those drop-down propellors to power stuff in emergencies? [00:16:53] is it the a320? [00:16:59] most airliners [00:17:18] Ram air turbines are pretty standard, sometimes mounted in pylon mounted payloads ala EW gear. [00:17:19] we still rely on wind, steam, and propellers [00:17:24] I should build the Arkbird in KSP [00:17:30] oren: Someone's done that! [00:17:39] all the ones I saw were ugly [00:17:48] https://img00.deviantart.net/ed31/i/2012/223/a/d/arkbird_by_skullz_is1-d5aq064.jpg [00:17:49] I made a falken but it was not long enough and rather ugly [00:17:53] Scolar_Visari: I saw one but it didn't go to space [00:18:09] Wait, wrong one http://i.imgur.com/nzcAQam.jpg [00:18:26] Scolar_Visari: too small [00:18:53] moar liek arkbird jr [00:19:00] There have been several Arkbirds, and its operation in AC 0 was rather strange given that it started out in orbit and rendezvoused with the linear accelreated SSTO in low orbit. [00:19:28] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders why Osea needed both. [00:20:15] Well the ssto was delivering the lazer cannon [00:20:29] Made for a smashing few levels, though. Nothing was quite as satisfying as ripping open an air-mobile AFV's parachute mid descent and watching it hit the ground with an Wyle E. Coyote-esque cloud of dust. [00:20:31] presumably the arkbird had the power systems for it [00:20:34] I want to see a mod that adds the fenrir's optical camo [00:21:01] also, im going to bed [00:21:12] oren: Not nearly as cool as the duo of submarine aircraft carriers. [00:22:12] https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/acecombat/images/d/d6/Arkbird_4.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170614111700 [00:22:24] that's how big it needs to be [00:22:59] need to use like several mk3 fuel tanks and cargo bays [00:23:32] When I get my new computer that will be my first project on ti [00:24:18] Action: Scolar_Visari will make sure to send the Sand Island Squadron in to take it down. [00:25:06] iirc it had like 4 different engine types on it [00:26:19] so like, nukes, vectors, ramjets, and rapiers [00:27:56] Hrm . . . Maybe Stonehenge could've intercepted Arkbird? [00:28:10] Action: Scolar_Visari leaves to contemplate a new genre of fiction: Alt-history alt-universe. [00:28:49] yeah, or they could have had a lazer duel between Arkbird and Excalibur [00:30:09] the funny thing is that Excalibur, in addition to being a huge lazer cannon, is also a 1 km tall tower, a fact that is glossed over [00:44:41] Does using large scale lithium ion battery packs for nation sized power storage make sense? [00:45:09] I feel like just having a nuclear reactor would be cheaper overall. [00:47:58] Yo. [00:48:09] I'm watching some videos about piloting. [00:48:16] I'm sad that not all of this applies in Kerbal Space Program. [00:50:46] thats annoying [00:50:52] clicked the wrong side of the orbit on a timewarp to command [00:50:58] so my ship timewarped into the ground and killed Jeb [00:50:59] :( [00:51:04] and the person he was rescuing [00:53:37] oh nooo [00:59:56] i also have a british penny from 1929 [01:00:33] supposedly wrth between 2 ans 140 dollars us [01:01:28] fairly worn from use [01:15:09] well until decimalisation it was quite common to find coins with five different monarchs on them or something [01:15:20] the new idea of withdrawing coinage is a rather different from how things used to be don [01:17:31] Victoria, Edward VII, George V, George VI and Elizabeth II [01:24:58] Dang, flying a plane is complicated. [01:25:32] I mean, you know how it goes. [01:25:43] Merely making the plane go the way you want it to go is easy. [01:26:05] Push forward to go down, pull backward to go up, left to go left, right to go right. Increase throttle to go faster, decrease throttle to go slower. [01:26:21] The complicated part is flying a plane safely and efficiently. [01:26:37] In KSP, we usually chuck safety and efficiency out the window. :D [01:28:49] why safety if you have f9? [01:34:03] Eddi|zuHause: because redoing things gets annoying [01:39:52] using KSPI how can I generate enough power to charge the warp drive? I can't seem to find the right combination [01:50:57] Warrigal_: AtmosphericAutopilot has made flying pretty straightforward for me, but I still can't make a plane that can reach 18km halfway around the world. They always run out of gas. [01:57:02] have you tried hanging drop tanks from the wings [02:10:26] drop tanks, low speed, propellors [02:11:07] I'm not sure how KSP handles long thin wings at low speed being less drag and more lift. [02:22:03] Now that I think of it, I don't know if I've ever played career mode with F9. [02:28:07] Hey, in aviation, does "angle of attack" usually mean the angle of attack of the main wings themselves or of the fuselage (the longitudinal axis)? [02:40:20] depends what you defined as the reference [02:55:01] Any chance one of the Steam discussion moderators is here at the moment? I need to ask them about something that happened either in 2015, or 2016. I don't exactly remember. [03:41:14] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:14:18] Musk has announced the payload for the inaugural flight of the Falcon 9 heavy. [04:14:45] It is going to be his Tesla Roadster, and they are going to attempt to place it in orbit around Mars. [04:14:58] haha [04:57:10] It's a waste of a car IMHO, but I guess it's funny [05:13:39] A flyby with a proper landing would be impressive. [05:23:13] lordcirth, it isn't JUST a car, it is HIS Tesla Roadster, which if I am not mistaken is just a prototype at the moment. [05:24:43] NolanSyKinsley, indeed, making it a waste of a particularly historically relevant car. Which will, on the other hand, become much *more* historically important if they succeed and it is recovered decades later [06:22:27] I can't get the Kemini orbital science things to work with contracts and science wise [06:22:41] I grab the experiment off the PEC and add it to my kerbal's inventory, but it doesn't work [06:30:31] hehe check yo stagin, thanks [06:33:26] wait let me try something [06:33:35] Also, does anyone use editor extensions redux? [06:37:53] also how can i cheat with money by typing it in? I had a bug [06:40:42] what's with these games showing up on steam which have japanese audio but chinese text [06:41:43] western people not being able to differentiate between moonrunes [06:41:46] so they take a japanese game that was sold off steam and localize it into chinese, and then on as separate steam page into english [06:42:39] and the english version has an age warning but the chinese doesn't [06:42:56] English is typically way way more prude [06:43:28] how far does steam actually let you go in adult content now [06:43:56] I mean they sell games that are rated AO for violence only such as hatred [06:44:55] With mods- all the way afaik. worst i've seen in a game on steam is nude but smooth 'parts' [06:45:10] like a ken or barbie doll [06:45:51] wait so you actually bought nekopara? w [06:48:09] hehe [06:52:10] my mates know i'm not into those types of games.. so one giftedme 'DEEP SPACE WAIFU' I lol'd... but i don't want to open the gift -_- [06:52:43] lol there is such title [07:40:49] btw in the making history expansion we wil get the missing 2 person capsule [08:01:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:19:09] :3 [08:31:40] Is it possible for me to do something like this? https://imgur.com/a/57IQw [08:31:40] https://i.imgur.com/CvH62g8.jpg [08:31:44] I really want to minimize weight [08:32:42] Sure, why not? [08:33:35] I mean give me advice [08:33:45] i need to bring 5 tourists to the mun [08:33:49] for orbiting [08:35:17] Well I don't recognise the modded parts you're using, but assuming you have a probe, power, connection and 5 seats, I see no reason why that shouldn't work. [08:35:41] Or no probe and 6 seats [08:36:38] Bear in mind that your choice of engine does not generate electricity [08:37:40] Your single parachute will probably not be enough to slow it down on re-entry, though. [08:38:49] Depending on your method of getting it up there, it might be a little short on fuel. [08:39:30] The tiny stack decoupler will possibly make it floppy at the joint, but an autostrut will fix that [08:41:05] Looks like you have some form of life-support mod installed. I can't help on that :) [08:57:32] lol [09:15:55] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfaOyqWZ2wk [09:15:55] YouTube - Dear EA : Pink is the new Black [10:18:52] Do you even need drogue chutes? [10:32:17] HotSpicySausage: in some cases theyre useful [10:32:26] Steep entries [10:33:06] I like to use drogues to ensure good orientation during descent [10:48:45] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/936781265675599873 Woah [10:48:45] Falcon Heavy to launch next month from Apollo 11 pad at the Cape. Will have double thrust of next largest rocket. G& https://t.co/oaQGB9rzEG [11:00:34] what will be the payload? [11:01:05] it is a test flight so probably nothing interesting, but still, could cram some cheap science in there, and if it works, the better [11:01:21] next month means january then [11:07:04] So no falcon heavy this year? [11:07:07] Is it normal having to use wings as tailfins to stop rockets from flipping? https://imgur.com/a/JqiK1 [11:07:07] https://i.imgur.com/61VNPQ2.jpg [11:07:16] Tank2333: are you surprised [11:07:22] No [11:07:40] Dissapointed [11:08:41] being overambitious [11:08:43] classic elon [11:09:34] Well its a few years overdue isnt it? [11:11:48] Elon is the peter molynuex of space and car industry :) [11:14:11] great rocket design: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/132478131490521089/386475011776446474/20170721220752_1.jpg [11:14:49] HotSpicySausage: transitbiker? is it you? [11:14:54] oh wait under 5 twr can't be [11:23:09] https://78.media.tumblr.com/880ef95af40042ce9a5e22a689ac3f07/tumblr_oqvmequdge1rrdzpmo1_540.jpg [11:27:00] HotSpicySausage...why... [11:28:42] Fluburtur lol [11:29:44] Althego: I bet on a Model X. [11:30:44] HotSpicySausage: if you need tailfins you're doing to wrong most of the time ;) [11:31:07] Tail fins are great on unguided ascents [11:31:24] but if you have a lot of boosters it's necessary to get at least some control authority [11:31:40] I put tiny fins because they look nice [11:40:05] https://i.imgur.com/W5sNP2W.jpg [11:46:33] https://78.media.tumblr.com/a1481c24fa06a39cf66a2410f2804921/tumblr_p004vi9QTv1sn75h6o1_540.jpg [11:47:12] https://imgur.com/gallery/qkJjX [11:47:43] science [11:48:41] Useful science. [11:49:17] Fennecs. Because darnit, foxes just ain't cute enough. [11:49:52] hehe small fox [11:49:58] fennec or what is it [11:50:17] Looks pretty distinctively like a fennec fox. [11:50:46] unless someone stuck big ears on a chihuahua. [11:51:13] Im only can see ears [11:51:18] Attatched to something woth fur [11:51:19] Woth [11:51:20] With [11:53:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372444178510249998/386484931553132544/DSC_7292.JPG [12:12:46] so I cut my fingernails too short and can't disassemble things anymore [12:13:26] yeah that's a real problem [12:28:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:34:18] Action: APlayer finally has some time to play KSP [12:34:42] Looks like I will spend it remembering where I left off, though :P [13:20:41] For here, Am I sitting in a tin can, Far above the world, Planet Kerb is blue, And there's nothing I can do [13:22:14] ve2dmn: Something-something PID loops and landing a Falcon 9 style booster back on the launch pad [13:23:21] Also, I remember PID loops suck when you have to tune them [13:24:43] SO I just reorganized the code and currently digging through all the exceptions you get when you first run a code after a ton of changes [13:31:30] Also, I may have unknowingly created some sort of PD loop. Actually, come to think of it, I could consciously expand it to a PID loop. [13:35:15] Althego: Uh... a German newsportal says it's going to be a Tesla Roadster... [13:35:26] what [13:35:32] :D [13:35:42] the falcon heavy? [13:35:52] yeah [13:36:07] electric rocket when [13:36:16] and it's going to Mars. [13:36:59] I don't know where they go the information from [13:37:48] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/936782477502246912 [13:37:48] Payload will be my midnight cherry Tesla Roadster playing Space Oddity. Destination is Mars orbit. Will be in deep& https://t.co/clunBATxJr [13:38:33] One day we will be able to fly to Mars in a few minutes and on the way we'll be able to visit his Roadster... [13:41:30] Uh-oh, Elon is really going serious with his electric cars [13:42:34] Phil plait has the real questions: https://twitter.com/BadAstronomer/status/936810025208635392 [13:42:34] @elonmusk @JC_Channel More important: Bowie or Hadfield? [13:48:23] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP9PMs3U8AAEyla.jpg:large [13:50:35] GlassYuri: I see that Carnegie Mellon is asking the real questions [13:50:37] That's a joke, isn't it? [13:52:37] Mat2ch, the only joke is that you could interpret it as china developing a superweapon capable of destroying japan [13:59:17] So is Elon really going to send a Tesla Roadster up on the Falcon Heavy and launch that sucker past Mars? [14:04:11] lol really a testla, that is funny [14:08:13] I saw a tweet. No idea if that madman actually said that or it was faked. [14:08:21] It was a screenshot of it with no link to it. [14:08:56] would be nice if it could land [14:09:10] Tesla roadster is under 2 tons (assumption). With 68 tons to LEO on a Falcon Heavy that's 66 tons of delivery vehicle. Can you get to Mars with a 2 ton payload and 66 tons of spaceship? [14:09:11] because on the surface of mars it could stay intact for longer than a million years [14:09:30] I really doubt he has the capability to get it there, then land it. [14:09:36] without life support and things like that, it is light [14:09:48] yes, landing on mars is really hard [14:10:03] 2 tons of payload, 66 tons of rocket in LEO. No idea what kind of dV you can get out of that. [14:11:38] When "Deploy the airbags, we are landing" acquires an entirely unexpected meaning [14:13:24] what is the propulsion on the upper stage? [14:14:02] The 1D Merlin 348 Isp [14:14:08] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_Heavy [14:14:11] that is not very good [14:14:12] But what does it run on? [14:14:21] Liquid oxygen is going to boil off, right? [14:14:26] LOX/RP-1 [14:14:30] Methane comes later [14:15:05] I'm not sure if it would make a 6 month trip. [14:15:19] Maybe 4 months if you floored it? [14:15:22] Nobody talking about the potential dangers of exposing an electric vehicle that was not rated for it to a vacuum? [14:15:24] but say the final stage is 10 tonnes, even then it will have enough delta v... probably. 6442 [14:15:40] The roadster is not going to survive long. That's a given. [14:16:03] Braking fluid containers or the battery exploding and things? [14:16:03] 68 tons to LEO is the Falcon Heavy's payload. [14:16:14] Battery is probably going to rupture. [14:16:35] But did he actually say this or was it a fake tweet? [14:17:02] sorry, 63 tons [14:17:06] still on his twitter [14:17:07] Don't know where I got 68 [14:17:18] Ok, it's real. He's crazier than I thought. [14:17:26] hehe [14:17:29] he is ironman :) [14:17:53] 16,800 kg to mars [14:18:03] It can totally make it without any further staging. [14:18:15] Now is that mars intercept or mars orbit I don't know. [14:19:06] Either way it's totally capable of cratering a Tesla Roadster into Mars. [14:19:26] And I wouldn't be surprised if you could make a landing vehicle for 14 tons. [14:19:47] but sdays mrs orbit [14:19:48] But 2 ton payload is a lot to ask. [14:19:52] is that orbit around mars? [14:20:18] They say orbit but then say something could be up there for a long time which means it wouldn't be in an unstable orbit. [14:20:39] the moons of mars seem to be quite stable [14:20:40] You'd have to go past Mars to remain in space for 1.5 whatever illion years. [14:21:01] They also don't move as much as a spacecraft. [14:21:27] don't get moved as much. [14:21:57] I saw the track of some poor thing orbiting Mercury getting tugged around till it ran out of fuel and crashed. [14:22:31] It was fighting to stay in orbit every step of the way. [14:25:25] January, 2018[70] Falcon Heavy Demo SpaceX Elon Musk's midnight cherry Tesla Roadster. [14:25:43] He's doing it [14:28:24] Can anyone pin down a better launch window than January 2018? [14:28:29] I want to go watch this. [14:38:46] Althego Mat2ch check out the tutorial I made https://youtu.be/DJSBELEAb0E [14:38:47] YouTube - How to dispose of an RC airplane [14:40:58] lol [14:41:22] this releases carbon dioxide to the atmosphere [14:41:53] would probably get burned anyways if I put it in the trash [14:42:00] and I needed to get rid of it [14:42:29] Anyone been to pad 39A at KSC and want to give me a good place to see it from? [14:42:49] I know nothing of watching rocket launches. [14:42:55] Falcon Heavy is going to be my first. [14:47:14] Blaank: go to twitter, read Musks tweet... [14:47:19] Fluburtur: br�tal! :D [14:47:29] which tweet [14:47:38] The last few he posted [14:47:54] I wish I could let it burn completely but it was making some nasty smoke and we are not supposed to burn stuff in our garden [14:48:01] but only the tail and a wingtip survived [14:48:05] or scroll a bit up, I pasted the link here [14:48:22] Which one am I looking for? [14:48:23] Fluburtur: make it from cardboard. And let it explode :D [14:48:50] eh this one was cardboard [14:49:07] I need to make a new messerschmitt so I might burn my old one too [14:49:21] but only the nose is ded [14:49:23] I know about the roadster. [14:49:29] I need to know when the launch is. [14:49:33] Donate it to SpaceX and ask them to put it into the Tesla they are launching [14:49:38] January is pretty vague. [14:49:51] @Fluburtur [14:50:09] Well, I guess they'll aim for early January, but will postpone it if necessary. [14:50:21] Launch window to mars should be open for a few days [14:50:29] Blaank: Given that they are aiming for Mars, I believe you can pin it down [14:50:34] As Mat2ch said it [14:50:35] APlayer eh a bit too far away [14:50:51] The launch window for interplanetary launches is sometimes weeks long [14:50:57] So I just book a hotel for all of january? [14:51:10] Better get a camper. :D [14:51:33] Ugh, the good hotels are going to be expensive and booked, aren't they? [14:51:58] I'm gonna be stuck in an econolodge 40km away. [14:52:02] well now I have to clean burned plane remains from my backyard [14:53:30] Just burn the garden and buy a new one [14:55:25] eh [14:55:27] maybe [15:11:56] Blaank: Asking when the FH launch is is like asking when HL2 E3 will release [15:12:28] ARe they going to give at least 3 days early warning or just launch it in the middle of the night without telling anyone? [15:13:12] TheKosmonaut, funnily musk has himself said that even he can't make hl3 a reality [15:13:36] Blaank: Well it's not like they can just throw it up on the pad and launch it that fast [15:13:56] But are they going to keep a blanket over it and yell surprise as it launches? [15:14:00] GlassYuri: He doesn't have the money to pay off GabeN and his pools of hat money [15:39:59] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBIaM-nBeI [15:39:59] YouTube - Check.... Check.. Check. [16:05:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:56:19] check yo stagin [16:56:39] I kinda want that shirt [16:57:07] testiment to our early engineers: https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2017-310 [16:57:24] it is almost never that my tshirt is visible, so it is pointless to buy something that has any picture on it [16:57:32] maybe if it would play this music [16:57:37] lot better [16:57:42] and 100 times more annoying [17:46:58] https://youtu.be/BGbNb9R_ioE?t=300 [17:46:59] YouTube - South Pole Flights - Range maps and a chat with R2 [17:47:07] hehe r2 [17:54:35] Isn't there a lot of things weird with having such short thruster pulses? How does it even initiate combustion, with so little fuel in the thruster? [17:55:03] hypergolic? [17:55:56] Yeah, there's no spark, the two compounds combust on contact [17:57:47] Yes, but still. You have to open both valves at exactky the same time, make sure the fuels mix properly and so on [17:58:16] I would not be surprised to hear that they had big valves and little valves and that small amounts of thrust used little valves [17:58:26] As for mix properly, combustion chambers are designed to do that I would think. [17:58:46] I wonder if there's an ELI5 on this in AskReddit or Space [17:59:21] They were used as long duration thrusters, and now we used them for 10 ms. I think the process is very different [17:59:54] Because what would usually stabilize within the first half of a second has to be stable from the first instant now [18:00:25] actually it doesnt need to be stable since it will stop a few ms later [18:01:35] Humm [18:04:21] And what about the purely mechanical challenge of opening and closing the valve so quickly? [18:04:34] i would have a single valve [18:04:36] with 2 holes [18:04:48] so it automatically opens at the same times [18:05:38] No idea if this is the case with Voyagers, I could imagine it has benefits to have the holes at opposite sites of the combustion chamber to mix the fuel better [18:06:22] But anyway it has to open and immediately shut, and again, it was not initially designed for this [18:12:20] @kOS savvy people - how is the order of parts returned by SHIP:PARTSTAGGEDPATTERN() defined? There is no obvious hierachy, all the parts with that tag are radially attached with symmetry, and I can't figure out in what order they are, or how to influence it [18:14:50] I need it to shut down engine pairs (as opposed to single engines). I tagged half of them symm1 and the other half symm2, and shut down the first of each of them that is not already off. But it does not shut down in pairs [18:45:33] and here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ACGzbu8LbA [18:45:34] YouTube - The World Fastest Tesla - Launching On Falcon Heavy [18:54:02] That one comment is gold... "Russel's Tesla" [18:55:05] this guy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz_-A6TSP_0 [18:55:05] YouTube - SSTO to Duna AND Mun without refuelling (KSP Reddit Challenge) [18:56:08] i was looking at hazardish the same way. but since he cheated... [18:56:28] matt makes the impossible mission by lot of gravity assists which i am not good at [19:08:46] Cats: https://imgur.com/t/science_and_tech/qkJjX [19:10:26] Hey, does anyone here use the Draggable Navball/Altimeter mods on 1.3.1? I've been asked to update it for that version, but I haven't played in a while. I may not have time to update KSP and test/debug for a bit. If I can get a few user reports that it works, I won't have to wait, I can just change spacedock/ckan now. [19:10:55] navball is moveabale already in stock i think [19:11:34] It's movable with a conf setting, but it's not movable in game. Or at least it wasn't when I made the mod a few versions back. [19:12:02] and i can never understood the decision to have the altimeter on top, far away from the navball. havent these people heard of huds? it puts all the important information in a single display [19:29:11] ehs, it is movable on the fly in game now too [19:29:59] Huh. I'll have to get a stock setup and see how it works. Maybe it's time to retire the mod. What about the altimeter? [19:30:12] that stays where it is [19:30:22] as i said, strange decision [19:30:29] i would have put it on top of the navball [19:30:53] with switchable between pressure and radar altitude [19:39:19] Althego: Any idea when it became draggable in stock? I don't see any reference in the patch notes for the last several versions. The last relevant thing is the navball position slider added in 1.1.1, but I think that's an options-menu item. [19:39:43] i never tried to move it [19:39:50] but probably 1.2 then [19:39:55] maybe 1.3 [19:47:08] it seems there is a slider that can move the navball left and right in the settings [19:47:16] you cant put it anywhere [19:47:29] it stays at the bottom [19:49:49] ehs: fwiw I never thought of the in-game screens as being heads-up display, though if I were to use a kerbal's-eye-view mod that would be a great feature. [19:50:09] it is needed for your piloting [19:50:17] why make you glance up and down? [19:50:34] for me that is a great distance [19:50:53] maybe half the range of my eye movement [19:50:59] Huh, I see it at the same time as I see everything else -- how close are you sitting to your display? ;-) [19:51:11] or rather how big it is [19:51:32] but even on small screens it is pointlessly far away [19:51:40] it just hinders and doesnt help [19:51:43] bad design [19:51:45] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:51:47] My gross piloting skills use instruments, my fine piloting skills use "feel"/the-big-screen, so I haven't been significantly hindered. [19:51:57] I can see how it might bug you though, totally. [19:52:06] it is the instrument [19:52:25] also put the radar altimeter in stock [19:52:30]