[00:03:22] thanks [00:05:01] by scaling low-level chutes, I bet I can recover my first stage too. [00:08:08] or just put as many as possible and then some [00:08:24] it's the kerbal way [00:08:40] with a level 1 VAB and 30 parts, as many as possible is distinctly low. [00:10:43] ah, i see [00:11:00] get to orbit already so you can use the funds to upgrade! [00:12:09] someone said upgrading the VAB or whatever.. you loose a biome? [00:12:41] upgrade the VAB one tier so you can do a munar free return? [00:13:06] no, I did use KEI [00:13:17] and that's tempting, never done a free return. Think I'd want nodes for that. [00:13:47] Immediate plan is orbit, then simply get to Mun, orbit, get back. [00:13:55] then I should have the tools to get more funds. [00:14:48] yea but... https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/285225308513847415/7A583D905E3F5BC7512482CDA06E0094EFAA7162/ [00:15:44] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/285225308513848263/7BA144DC162560954CE0EB361422A837371DE3C3/ [00:15:55] eh..? [00:15:55] why get kerbin science when you can get space science? higher multipliers [00:15:57] just watched saluyt 7 [00:16:00] nice movie [00:16:11] sure it's cheaper to get to but it's not worth living with a 30 part limit [00:16:33] KrazyKrl: stick some fins on for goodness sakes [00:17:45] I've challenged myself to see how far I could get with as few parts... [00:18:00] https://imgur.com/a/NBWta [00:18:00] https://i.imgur.com/2AxSsK4.jpg [00:18:16] that should get to orbit, and very comfortably recover the boosters and first stage [00:18:44] though, hmm, could thrust limit the boosters. glad I made myself check that. [00:19:16] hmm.. anyone ever done drop tanks on a rocket before? [00:19:28] I don't need no stinkin' fins. [00:19:43] 11k munar flyby though. [00:20:32] jcb: kind of unnecessary, plus it raises twr by a lot [00:20:38] jcb: better to just stage [00:21:51] fins don't help unless they are control surfaces anyhow. rockets should be stable enough without stability enhancers. [00:24:14] iirc that rocket was launched on a flyby with literally the launch pad upgraded to level 2... even a level 1 VAB was used. [00:24:49] well, saluyt 7 is a nice movie but I feel like they exagerated the facts a little [00:25:13] A movie that embelishes the facts? What a travesty! [00:27:25] level 2 launch pad is a standard for me. [00:27:32] VAB is pretty expensive. [00:27:45] ... raises twr huh? [00:28:41] I do have electrical parts etc to do the tourist trade [00:28:50] Yep... i pretty much had to upgrade the pad to level 2. I don't think you can make it to the mun with a crew pod along with the starter parts below 18tonnes. [00:28:59] movie based on facts.. wouldn't that just be a documentary? [00:29:28] And if you can... having the extra dV allocated to make up for no patched conics and no manuver nodes would probably be the hitching point. [00:29:57] And even then... i doubt you could pack science experiments. [00:30:29] yeah. [00:31:10] IIRC, the VAB is about as expensive as both components of patched conics. [00:31:14] heh.. strap a kerbal to the stop of the rocket.. there's your science.. I'm sure he'll have lots to say once back [00:31:35] it is possible to do a lot just by priority unlocking the bigger tanks (T-400 in particular) [00:32:10] heh [00:32:20] was thinking EVA reports over Mun biomes [00:32:38] and, indeed, spare dV. [00:32:49] 30 parts does kind of limit you a lot.... its just barely enough to get a plane made with a couple of science parts [00:33:02] Well... the entire point of that flyby mission with level 1 everything(except launchpad)... was for massive science points when most sciences are super cheap. [00:33:25] I still need to learn plane design. [00:33:47] I have every 45 science node, and like 3 @90 [00:33:57] hmm... ya but doing things too quickly, you miss out on some of the firsts based contracts. [00:34:48] like docking in orbit? [00:34:51] a lot of the kerbin and mun firsts aren't really worth it, by the time you get them you've got bigger fish to fry [00:35:04] I don't think there's much else I generally miss. [00:35:23] first docking in orbit actually gives you a few firsts... [00:35:57] when I get back to the game I'll look at that one [00:36:02] it can also be repeated around the mun I think? [00:36:13] Well, you can easily brute force your way though via farming science... The real fun is making your own challenges while not needing to make the game super grindy. [00:36:22] I usually think of it in terms of whether it'll give me as much funds as things that are equally fun and easy to do. [00:37:05] for me.. docking with the JR one.. gave me first meet up, first docking.. don't remember if building spacestation thing was under same as docking. Then you can crew transfer between ships if you a spare seat [00:37:14] yeah. I find science mode too easy, but I'm at the part of the game where I seem to chronically need funds. [00:37:31] orbit kerbin should do a lot to fix that. [00:37:54] meh.. its more about the parts and not enough science for me... [00:38:03] I also sorta force myself delaying upgrading things [00:38:21] Everyone knows that KSP is 90% VAB, 25% Flight. [00:38:33] I' [00:39:09] I'm hoping to do a video of a mun fly around using docking of two craft/ships... Mk1 pod and a booster stage, both sent up seperately [00:39:24] nice [00:39:46] gemini did something similar but kept it in orbit around Earth [00:40:07] a science game would be good for working through USI, setting up bases and such. [00:40:29] its also currently the highest orbiting crewed craft to date... ya we went ot the moon but that wasn't techinically an 'orbit' around Earth [00:40:51] https://78.media.tumblr.com/16f022251a8a19459fe259fe674c5089/tumblr_p2iaolQGE91wftuoeo3_540.png [00:42:21] I've been pondering RP-0... just to change things up a little... [00:43:12] I also get a little nervous just thinking of launching massive creations right from the start [00:43:34] I generally never launch more than a third of my funds. [01:03:24] I rarely launch most of my money, but I often spend it on upgrading. [01:03:31] yeah, this. [01:03:51] I had level 2 launchpad and AC after my... second launch? [01:04:16] I need to learn how to dock in orbit, and how to do those specific survey of Kerbin jobs. Probably easy enough with solid rockets. [01:05:34] starting the game now... [01:05:43] I have a stock install too, so I could do the docking etc tutorials [01:05:49] Pakaran: keep us updated [01:06:03] sorry. [01:06:12] Pakaran: i would strongly recommend tutorials, v helpful [01:06:30] if I'm spamming, tell me. [01:06:49] pfft [01:06:54] Pretty sure I've done that one at some point. One issue is I need to learn the keys. [01:06:56] this channel needs some activity anyway [01:07:04] when you said 'keep us updated', I thought you were being sarcastc. [01:07:08] no sorry [01:07:12] is it the lowercase? [01:07:17] Keep us updated! [01:07:20] is that better [01:07:54] I'll probably just launch the screenshot I shared before. It should be able to reach orbit, and quite cheaply if the recovery systems work. [01:08:10] assuming it doesn't flip [01:08:16] https://i.imgur.com/2AxSsK4.jpg [01:08:24] that's why it has the bigass fins. Ideally. [01:08:25] heh [01:08:42] and yes, I'm cheating by using scaled up mk-16 chutes as booster nosecones. [01:08:46] that... is a lot of mods [01:09:31] heh, the shortcut is named "stockish". [01:10:09] it takes about 5 minutes to load. I don't use mechjeb because it's still fun to maneuver manually [01:10:46] I did set the first stage to light with the boosters, but I'm planning to use it quite lightly [01:11:33] Pakaran: MJ still has its uses [01:11:53] I'm basically using Roverdude mods, FAR, and stage recovery and parts mods. [01:12:03] MJ is great for when you need to do your billionth hohman transfer [01:12:05] such as having multiple tugs doing orbital construction all at the same time [01:12:23] that sounds awesome heh [01:12:24] (I've had up to five running at a time) [01:12:33] ok that's crazy talk [01:12:36] though it would involve learning to dock. [01:12:45] usually i have a fleet of 2 or 3 tugs at a time [01:12:58] Pakaran: learn to dock! it's so rewarding [01:13:13] Pakaran: NavyFish Docking Port Alignment Indicator [01:13:23] ^ [01:14:29] using that, I can dock even behemoths for < 10u monoprop (and a LOT of patience) [01:14:35] thanks [01:14:57] (and have my ports aligned to within 0.1 degrees:) [01:15:05] pfft, monoprop is for the weak. REAL pilots just use the main engines. [01:15:08] I'll get that installing, open my stock game, and do the tutorial. [01:15:19] markovify: I've done that... without SAS [01:15:30] taniwha: we've all been there [01:15:35] (scientist on a ship with no RCS pods) [01:15:42] that's the other issue I was having. heh. I didn't know the controls, so before I used the main engines to bump, and EVA over. [01:15:47] that one time you forget to bring a pilot... [01:15:48] that was... annoying [01:15:56] once i docked with only gimbal for attitude control [01:16:00] that was not fun [01:16:11] thankfully it was a very small craft [01:16:12] markovify: ouch [01:16:28] yeah, just basically a seat + engine + fuel + port [01:16:28] Pakaran: qweasd ijklhn :) [01:16:47] well, that's why I'm going to do the tutorials. [01:17:01] i've never used docking mode to dock before... only for driving rovers [01:17:01] do not use docking mode, it's the abomination [01:17:04] yeah [01:17:12] even for rovers [01:17:20] nah it works fine for rovers [01:17:32] (set your control reference appropriately and turn off all torque sources) [01:17:35] prevents reaction wheels from going crazy [01:17:42] ok fine but i'm lazy [01:18:00] for dedicated rovers, I turn off reaction wheels in the SPH [01:18:10] (planes, too) [01:18:21] all of my 'rovers' have rocket engines [01:18:44] and for multi-mode, there's action groups :) [01:29:58] .nextlaunch [01:29:58] Falcon Heavy | Demo Flight 1 (Maiden Flight) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c - NET February 6, 2018 18:30:00 UTC - T-17:00:01 [01:29:59] YouTube - Falcon Heavy Test Flight [01:31:46] 16 hours 'til and there's already 2244 people streaming [01:42:41] Tutorial is too easy to get into a state where I can't continue it. [01:43:17] I'm going to do the stuff I know I need to do. Right now the docking contract isn't even visible. [01:46:18] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SWlQqPFMqc&list=PLNDuU-8x2Smxp0-_aFFvETgYOISCy1pJ1 this should be good inspiration [01:46:18] YouTube - Kerbal Space Program - Multiplanetary Species Episode 01 [01:53:17] though if he's using FAR, he didn't list it. kind of surprised it's not required by some he does have. [02:27:32] ooh why did I not know this was a thing? [02:27:34] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/107661-ksp-131-x-science-ksp-science-report-and-checklist-v511/#post1907551 [02:36:42] This was just a "hey, does it get off the ground", but noooo... it was an SSTO: http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot4217.png [02:36:55] (that badly texured part doesn't store any fuel) [02:38:14] 8.65t. 1615u LF, 1974u Ox. I guess the mass ratio of the tanks is pretty high [02:41:46] What is that supposed to be [02:41:51] A new tank design? [02:42:44] yeah [02:43:03] tanks, habs, structural (I've shown those earlier) [02:43:54] http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot4184.png [02:46:21] yeah, mass ratio is about 11.5:1 [02:48:03] hmm, small adapters are about 5.4:1 [02:50:19] 5.4:1 up to 12.2:1 [02:50:43] might have the walls a little thin on that part [02:57:36] Oh. I recognize it now [02:59:49] "So what are we launching today?" "A Art - 1 Quantity" [05:29:34] Silly question: I can load a vessel in the VAB that has "locked or invalid parts" -- is there an easy way to see which parts those are? [05:31:36] Not that I'm aware of. Besides just going to the craft file and reading the list of parts [07:48:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk338VXcb24 [07:48:15] YouTube - Falcon Heavy Animation [07:48:25] old [07:48:32] at least now it is not unlisted [07:48:40] Whenever I say things like "this is how KSP should look like" my graphics card is screaming in agony [07:48:44] ;P [07:49:07] Althego: When was that originally uploaded then? [07:49:08] ksp could like any modern game [07:49:19] the framerate is physics limited [07:49:25] Because I thought that was the one SpaceX said they were uploading just the other day [07:49:31] dunno, i found it in a tweet of elon yesterday [10:23:45] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:29:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:40:49] So when's the gosh darn Muskelwagen launch time? [10:41:54] 18:30 UTC [10:41:58] okay, so I should never handwrite anything again [10:42:21] that's 13:30 for you east coasters [10:42:32] returned one package from aliexpress because I received the wrong item [10:42:44] GlassYuri: i don't know about you but i put all my skill points into typing [10:42:52] it appears to have gone through every post office in china and japan and then come back to me [10:43:00] that's hilarious [10:43:08] does it have tons of stamps? [10:43:12] you should frame it [10:44:13] stamps, stickers, stamps with stickers, and a loose piece of paper fixed to it with a rubber band that is torn and has been taped back together [10:44:47] beautiful, better than i imagined [10:45:26] censor your address and post for sweet, sweet karma [10:45:35] the seller doesn't seem to care though, more proof that sellers on aliexpress don't give a damn about anything [10:46:23] supposedly they are all dumb young adults who think that they're gonna get rich dropshipping abroad [10:47:09] Thank you markovify [10:48:46] GlassYuri: that would explain a lot, actually [10:50:52] oh so apparently there is a small hole in the recipient's address [10:51:21] but his name has been circled with a ballpoint pen with something that might be "no" written next to it [10:52:04] seller still exists on aliexpress though [10:52:30] i am not kidding i want to see a picture of this so badly [10:52:35] thought they may have gone out of business in between [10:52:39] markovify, will do [11:04:45] markovify, https://i.imgur.com/CvW9EMu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8L1YfpD.jpg [11:05:57] GlassYuri: these postal workers inadvertantly created a work of art [11:06:23] the best part is the sticker that claims 'unsufficient address' is partially torn [11:06:30] un? in [11:12:15] the three stamp stickers on the back are from the post office in xixiang, shenzhen, which means that it was in the correct place [11:19:51] markovify, oh, and despite all the damn packing tape I put over it the package has been ripped open and the contents partially smashed [11:33:00] https://78.media.tumblr.com/b71028008b90cf2b6921febf8fa9e8b2/tumblr_p3psq27oYk1rpgt9vo3_400.gif [11:34:44] GlassYuri: that's inspections for you [11:36:00] markovify, maybe the got suspicious because my local post office basically made me put "not a battery" on the customs declaration [11:40:11] GlassYuri: understandable, postal systems can be weird about things that spontaniously combust if damaged [11:47:32] uh https://78.media.tumblr.com/3f13d2242dceea20c5eda27751b7df72/tumblr_oj9tvdjM3Q1r7qpeho1_540.jpg [11:47:35] very accurate [11:54:06] https://pics.onsizzle.com/empirical-proof-fbiltsamaddadworld-that-catsare-a-liquid-23455105.png [11:56:21] my grandma just informed me that spacex will soon launch a rocket [11:56:27] oh man I did not know [12:03:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:25:04] Fluburtur, I'm just wondering how long Musk has to get Martian plates on the car. [12:25:31] (Knowing him, he might figure on the Martians being tempted into contact so they can try to fine him.) [12:51:12] .nextlaunch [12:51:12] Falcon Heavy | Demo Flight 1 (Maiden Flight) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c - NET February 6, 2018 18:30:00 UTC - T-5:38:47 [12:51:12] YouTube - Falcon Heavy Test Flight [12:51:17] NO BRAKES [12:58:18] Fluburtur: https://youtu.be/OlQsYPGtjTE [12:58:19] YouTube - Reckless drone flies ABOVE passenger jet at McCarran Airport [12:58:22] disgusting [13:27:11] Rokker: indeed. the votes agree [13:29:14] people like this is why we can't have nice toys [13:43:59] Rokker, hey btw, a few friends and me want to visit an US military base, but it appears that they might not let foreigners in [13:44:35] I mean that would totally not be the most hypocritical thing ever [13:54:23] Falcon heavy today? [13:54:50] Blaank, falcon heavy never [13:54:59] 4 hours [14:17:39] The odds it's going to work fine are like 50/50 since it's largely tried and true components? [14:21:51] T-4h, yes [14:22:43] :( I'll be driving when it launches if it's on time. [14:23:38] Mimiru: I'm going to be in the office [14:28:10] RIP [14:32:05] plenty of bandwith in the office [14:33:00] T-4h for SpaceX, T-14h for Timmies [14:43:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:43:59] timmies? [14:44:50] Hi! [14:44:58] https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yrdRcjm63Q0/hqdefault.jpg [14:45:03] Tim Hortons. Canadian thing [14:48:22] http://www.rolluptherimtowin.com/en/countdown.php [14:48:34] (or http://www.rolluptherimtowin.com/fr/countdown.php for Fluburtur ) [14:54:21] hmm. [14:54:45] looks like with KSS installed, I specifically do not want sigmadimensions? [14:56:17] removing it now (via ckan, which all my non-KSS mods are under) [15:01:11] basically at this point, my "allegedly stockish" game is USI, a couple parts mods, FAR and Deadly Reentry, and now much of KSS. [15:01:49] Once I settle on what I want, I'll back it up and/or take it out of ckan control. [15:02:38] USI, including USI-LS ? [15:03:48] yes, though I may turn it off in future, and I do have drives that are capable of crewed interstellar missions in my far future, if I'm not mistaken. [15:03:59] I may also just exempt veterans. [15:04:09] I'm trying to settle on mods before progressing the real save too far. [15:04:56] I mean, if I really wanted, I could probably use orion and "alkerbierrie" drive to make a colony launchable from the surface of Kerbin. [15:05:22] I made the USI-LS consequences temporary, because it's my first foray into the mod [15:06:01] Yeah, I think that's what I'll stick with. Plus recursive rescue missions are fun! [15:06:44] "Send more potatoes!" [15:06:50] Also, it looks like pilots are immune to habitation. [15:06:59] not completely [15:07:08] ? [15:07:08] but they are easier to satisfy [15:07:22] they get permanent habitation beyond 1 year [15:07:35] the other specialties with 50 years to spare [15:07:49] except scouts - they are like pilots [15:08:09] I guess Pilots are used to small cockpits [15:08:14] they just can't provide SAS? [15:08:39] scouts are some general purpose colonists [15:09:00] But my colonization attempts so far have not been too great [15:09:06] yeah, I was sort of looking at the colony economy [15:09:34] it looks like I'll mostly use machinery and fertilizer from kerbin, at the least [15:10:33] always nice when mods come with new loading screen art :) [15:11:42] With colonization my problems are the various resource requirements of different mods - so K&K / Pathfinder and MKS all want different building resources [15:12:18] ah, I have a lot of parts mods, but don't have other life support mods (though apparently TAC is supported), and don't have Interstellar. [15:12:59] I like the shared resources that Pathfinder introduces [15:13:29] because it allows for smaller bases scattered around with less risk for sudden kraken desintegration [15:14:24] ah, but it just turns into Factorio trying to arrange production of everything? [15:14:56] that is why I have not gone into colony building [15:15:12] somewhere along the lines you get from one game into another [15:15:29] ah, thanks. [15:15:38] and KSP is a great space simulator - but a shitty city builder :) [15:15:46] Heh [15:16:16] EricPoehlsen: Ahem, please mind the language in this channel. We observe the same rules as the forum. [15:16:22] .nextlaunch [15:16:23] Falcon Heavy | Demo Flight 1 (Maiden Flight) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c - NET February 6, 2018 18:30:00 UTC - T-3:13:37 [15:16:23] YouTube - Falcon Heavy Test Flight [15:16:28] oooh getting closer [15:16:28] I have an EM drive in my engines...thing puts out only about 1KN I think [15:18:35] maybe I should look for an EMdrive mod, would be fun for interstellar use [15:19:04] or stationkeeping, if there's a tiny solar-compatible one? [15:20:05] I'd have to look. [15:20:11] EricPoehlsen: KSP is still listed in the 'Base-Building games' subreddit wiki [15:20:32] really :D [15:20:48] https://www.reddit.com/r/BaseBuildingGames/wiki/index [15:20:56] it's ok, I've already got ckan open, Draconiator [15:20:57] Well I think there are other games which are a little more suited for that cateogry :D [15:21:16] you mean without "spurious forces" on big rigid things? [15:22:33] yep - that list is strange - it misses something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outpost_(video_game) [15:24:25] Oh and Pak, if you're going to Eeloo soon, I would not design my ship to use solar panels...I have a HUGE blanket solar array on one of mine and it only puts out around 0.5 units a second even it's huge and massive and.... [15:25:52] thanks. [15:26:36] heh outpost [15:26:44] that was in an other, more civilized time [15:30:49] I dreamed of remaking that game [15:31:07] Just to add visuals for the ressources trucks [15:33:26] Sadly, I'm just not good enough as a developper [15:36:08] yeah it would be fun doing something in that regards [15:37:13] But the most important thing if you do game development on your own is: are you ready to code Pong - or do you dare to progress to Tetris [15:38:04] trying to do a Triple-A Project as one man show will definitly lead into despair and crumbled dreams :) [15:38:50] of course there are some exceptional one-man / small-team projects - but they are rare [15:44:43] uh I have no pitcure of the non inevrting mirror at the cité des sciences [15:50:24] wait, did the japanese succeed with the smallest orbital rocket? [15:50:34] https://youtu.be/Dvb3tbmIF1w [15:50:35] YouTube - Last Minute Updates on Falcon Heavy & BFR - February 6th [15:50:44] they did make ungided ones [15:50:55] dunno how they compare to the electron [15:57:43] doesnt matter how many times he says it, i am not going to fly a safe [15:58:29] Aww, no dragon 2. [15:58:41] but it was almost finished [15:58:45] I know [15:58:58] But human rating a falcon heavy would be expensive. [15:59:03] also the bfr is probably not for iss [15:59:11] so there would be some need for a smaller capsule [15:59:59] You could just bring the entire rest of the ISS's lifespan of supplies in one trip. [16:00:15] not really [16:00:26] for example food cant be stored indefinitely [16:00:30] Oh, right. [16:00:34] also some live animals [16:00:40] stuff like that [16:02:41] The Japanese used a modified sounding rocket to put a cubesat into space (If I remember correctly) [16:08:21] Fluburtur: oh, the youtubers, always need to make a video about things. :D [16:09:03] yeah [16:09:12] but scott videos are always nice [16:09:44] "Hey everyone! YoutuberX here! Just made this video to say hi! Don't forget to click Subscribe and hit that tumbs up button. Peace out!" [16:11:37] Is human rating hard? [16:12:15] not according to Sturgeon's Law [16:12:25] probably long and tedious [16:13:46] Do you think the whole car thing was a joke or serious at the start? [16:16:43] I think he said he wanted to put the most ridicoulous thing he could think of for the test flight [16:17:44] I wonder what that car will look like in a few years [16:17:56] It's silly but it needs solar panels if it's going to be jamming forever. [16:18:30] May want a bolt on RCS or some other method of stabalizing due to it tumbling not looking cool enough. [16:18:55] Flywheel? [16:19:04] Has it's own issues but may work. [16:19:31] I was thinking cold gas thrusters hidden pretty well with tiny discrete ports poking out of the wheel wells and body panels. [16:19:42] You want this to look good. [16:20:16] You could use the wheels as 'flywheels' [16:20:43] But they would have to spin forever and not vaccum weld when the lube vaporized or froze. [16:21:46] I wanted the car to have a bubblehead of jeb on the dashboard, but my sources assured me that the dashboard has a KSP reference of some sort... [16:21:57] ... I have my doubts about thoses sources [16:22:03] Jeb bobblehead would be rad. [16:22:15] I hope they have a gopro in the helmet. [16:24:10] a car is big enough to be its own flywheel. just as most probes spin [16:24:32] eh, there's a tweet going around that tells people to unfriend poor friends to increase their rating... [16:24:43] https://twitter.com/tijmenschep/status/960566672187904000 [16:24:43] TIP: Unfriend your poor friends on Facebook, it will help you get better interest rates on your loans. This tool ca& https://t.co/s0mg8FEajW [16:24:59] that s already a system in china [16:25:07] for loans and such [16:26:09] @TheKosmonaut ^ is this normal? [16:26:33] i doubt 1 person can define norma [16:26:34] l [16:26:41] ? [16:26:47] at least staistical normal [16:27:14] APlayer: is what normal? [16:27:26] The NextLaunchBackup quitting then coming back? [16:27:29] It's probably fine [16:27:31] Yes [16:27:40] hehe [16:27:43] has it been doing it a lot? [16:27:51] why is it backup at all [16:27:56] must be getting attacked by ULA bees [16:28:02] Well, is it normal if it quits and does /not/ come back? :P [16:28:04] Althego: Because the original person went awol [16:28:14] Hm [16:28:46] APlayer: Dunno.. he's working on it I think. [16:28:50] Probably overloaded by people trying to find out when FH launches :P [16:28:52] Imma sleep a little before the FH launch. [16:29:01] just a couple hours left [16:29:12] Sure, good idea. Anything we can do to wake you up in case you are missing it? [16:29:18] Like, wildly ping you? :P [16:31:14] Couple hours, like... 2? [16:31:26] Unless the 1830 UTC was a blatant lie [16:34:12] 18:30 UTC, the time stands, to my knowledge [16:35:02] Elon just assured that everything is still on time [16:35:14] https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/960910705808609280 [16:35:14] All systems remain go for todays test flight of Falcon Heavy. Weather is 90% favorable for todays two-and-a-half& https://t.co/RLAu8JYQKI [16:36:43] 77,615 waiting [16:36:45] :D [16:36:55] And counting! [16:37:12] What was the biggest event youtube ever streamed? [16:37:34] I really hope they're prepared for this... [16:38:04] It was the jump for the edge of space [16:38:08] from* [16:41:58] at what count? [16:42:14] hehe the austin poers d joke rocket [16:42:44] Blaank: millions? I don't remember [16:45:32] any launch stream link? [16:45:44] Althego: http://nextrocket.space/ [16:45:54] oups, I mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c [16:45:55] YouTube - Falcon Heavy Test Flight [16:45:57] hi [16:46:07] in 104 minutes [16:46:21] The clock's ticking [16:46:25] The suspense intensifies [16:46:41] All abord the hype train! [16:49:27] im on [16:51:28] Hype trains are old. We have hype rockets [16:51:59] say no more: https://gfycat.com/DapperMessyIrishwaterspaniel [16:52:22] http://i.imgur.com/m3Y312c.gifv [16:53:09] https://i.imgur.com/D8IAkvF.jpg [16:53:21] http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YRXgFu3RpYk/hqdefault.jpg [16:54:29] http://i.imgur.com/5PDLkV4.jpg [16:54:33] i cant fit the surface scanner on this tiny probe [16:55:17] https://i.imgur.com/5PDLkV4.jpg [16:55:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Badie' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:57:03] lol [16:58:21] What would be the best soundtrack for the launch? [17:03:42] cannibal corpse - hammer smashed face [17:03:56] hah, success, now it is even uglier than before [17:04:27] Daft Punk - harder better faster stronger ? Europe - The Final Countdown? [17:06:12] Thus Spoke Zarathustra - 2001 : A Space Odyssey ? [17:06:41] already over 100k people waiting :D [17:07:03] (for an event for which nobody really advertised for) [17:07:29] they did talk about it on tv here [17:07:36] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/960921700153135104 oh noes [17:07:36] Upper atmosphere winds currently 20% above max allowable load. Holding for an hour to allow winds to diminish. #FalconHeavy [17:07:50] now that this probe is there i could strip it of the useless parts, and send a second one to eve, day 16 is still in the possibility, less than 2k m/s probably. still lot beter than for duna, where the 8.1k it has is probably not enough [17:07:57] Fluburtur: but it's no advertisment. It's just talking about things [17:08:04] yeah [17:08:44] oh but i cant send it to eve just like this [17:09:09] "8 million simultaneous viewers Felix Baumgartner skydive sets record for YouTube live streams" [17:10:31] That Record was beatten... by a live Birth of a Giraffe [17:11:09] lol [17:12:09] (I can't find the other records) [17:13:19] https://twitter.com/literally_josh/status/960922311280025600 [17:13:19] @KvonBengtson @elonmusk I think you just basically described a rocket [17:16:11] http://warpology.com/k/probe.png [17:16:35] yes, the container at the bottom is the landing gear :) [17:17:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:17:07] i have some douobt about the nuke being able to perform for like 15 minutes for the breakingburn [17:19:19] So will the Tesla only encounter Mars or actually orbit it? I've seen either version [17:20:51] There's no mid-course correction equipment, so I'm suspecting it will enter a solar orbit that will approach Mars, versus insert into Martian orbit. [17:21:57] MOI sure would require a lot of stuff (prevent LOX boiloff, communications, mission control, ...), but I've seen sources stating it would be in an elliptic Mars orbit [17:22:24] Anyway, ;tell me if anyone knows more exactly, I am off for dinner... [17:24:24] probably mars flyby [17:30:24] ve2dmn: made a new save, effectively stock+kOS, and was able to get my first elliptical relay satellite off the ground in the first day using the script. [17:30:37] It's early enough I had to open the antennas by hand, since I don't have the VAB to level 3. [17:37:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:37:38] Oh, ditto for the first SCANsat around Kerbin. [17:39:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:39:57] Back! [17:42:49] .nextlaunch [17:43:14] mm [17:43:18] Bot died I guess [17:43:19] Delays delays [17:43:36] Well, I better stop trying to catch the event live and head to bed instead [17:47:36] the falcon heavy is pretty comparable to the ariane 5 for payloads to gto and recovering the rocket [17:47:44] exept the ariane is more expensive [17:48:06] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: A short while ago on a planet very near . . . [17:49:13] I've also answered the question: [17:49:29] "Who is crazy enough to go to Colonia in a fully laden Python?" https://snag.gy/RTPay1.jpg [17:49:36] FH keeps getting pushed [17:49:44] Now looking at 3:05 launch [17:49:48] Colonia isn't even that far away [17:49:51] Winds again? [17:50:47] As far as we know [17:50:58] Winds have been cited [17:51:31] Kalpa: It's long enough when you can only make 25 light-year jumps. [17:51:33] I'm hoping that the fact they keep pushing it back in small increments means that the wind speed is trending down [17:52:02] Of course, I stored my Python in a space garage and bought a Diamondback Explorer to make the journey home. 54 light year jumps FTW. [17:52:48] Bah, 25 light years was plenty back in the day [17:52:48] I also discovered four (!) uncharted Earth-likes on the Neutron superhighway, which I did not expect! [17:52:54] Diamondback Scout or get out [17:53:04] Asp Explorer or gtfo [17:53:08] DBE is like an ugly 4-seater version of a 2-seater coupe [17:53:30] That said, I haven't flown in months [17:53:33] hehe the timer is increasing [17:53:36] In, actually, like half a year [17:53:36] DBS for life [17:53:46] I used to take on Anacondas in one DBS and win [17:53:47] now it is not even in minutes [17:53:48] Wonder if my Elite is even up to date... [17:54:03] i dont even have it installed [17:54:04] I havent updated since they added planetary landings :S [17:54:22] but i think i have elite 2 with my last saves from the old old p1 [17:54:23] Kosmonaut: The Explorer has extra range plus better optional module space. [17:54:32] Scolar_Visari: Blehhhh [17:54:40] RULE OF COOL [17:54:50] RoC > Utility [17:54:50] Psht, the Explorer is cooler. We all know the Chieftain is the best. [17:55:15] Action: Scolar_Visari still wished all four of the Chieftain's big engines swiveled. [17:56:07] ...Chieftain? [17:56:19] Kalpa: It's a new Lakon Spaceways/Alliance ship. [17:56:30] It's between the Federation Dropship and the Imperial Clipper. [17:56:32] Oh, great. Does it have excellent jump range? [17:56:40] Right, so bubble crap [17:56:41] Diamonback Scout has the best abbreviation though, DBS [17:56:48] 210k waiting :D [17:56:48] then you can act like you own an Aston-Martin [17:57:05] back later for launch [17:57:14] What are the aerodynamic characteristics of the Stayputnik as compared to the Aerodynamic Nose Cone? [17:57:23] http://www.swat-portal.com/CFDB/ED/Chieftain.jpg [17:57:42] If there's no difference, I can save an upgrade level by avoiding Electrics (only doing it for the probe core) [17:57:51] dangit, why is launch being delayed? [17:57:51] too fat [17:57:54] Kosmonaut: DBS < DBX. The letter 'X' automatically improves things. [17:58:01] Fat's fine, the rest of the rocket is that fat. [17:58:35] Scolar_Visari: agree to disagree. Because everyone is entitled to their opinions... even if it's 100% false [17:58:37] :P [17:58:41] OK SLP MODE [17:59:12] sjw mode? :) [17:59:18] Kalpa: It has a slightly better range than the Dropship. [17:59:36] Kosmonaut: I'm afraid, comrade Kosmonaut, that you are only entitled to my own opinions. [17:59:55] Mathuin: Except for the puny payload fairing. [18:01:03] Teehee https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbmSD53UAAAZXsA.jpg:large [18:01:20] I have no fairings. [18:01:40] Closest thing I have to a fairing is the payload bay. [18:01:50] And I stuck the little probe core in there, with batteries, under the nose cone. [18:01:59] I just came back from lunch... what the latest on SpaceX? 15:00 EST? [18:02:02] I was thinking of the Falcon Heavy. It's just a fat Falcon 9 or, perhaps, a Falcon 9 with parasitic twins. [18:02:19] More like a Falcon 27 [18:02:31] Or Falcon 999 [18:02:41] Falcon 9³ [18:03:25] Faclon 729? [18:03:30] APlayer: The less successful Falcon model. [18:04:10] But it's Falcon 9 because of the 9 engine... so 27 is closest to the designation [18:04:51] Falcon Overweight, which sounds more like an Age-of-Sail classification. [18:05:02] Falcon 9 rocket-of-the-line. [18:05:07] Fatcon [18:05:17] Farcon [18:06:20] ve2dmn, wind shear is the latest [18:06:23] phallcon :) [18:06:55] Althego: Nanananana our rocket's tallest! [18:07:06] "The first test flight of Falcon Heavy is now targeted for Tuesday, Feb. 6th at 3:05 PM ET from Launch Complex 39A at Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Teams are watching upper level wind shear and will continue to update as information becomes available." [18:07:12] i had to say it, because of the tweet pic [18:07:31] Althego: No. Not really. [18:08:01] Launch window is only two and a half hours. Seems unlikely to happen at this point [18:08:23] Deddly: Do you have a link to that? [18:08:27] aww :( [18:08:29] Oh, wind changes at altitude? [18:08:35] http://www.spacex.com/webcast [18:08:51] Blaank: was that serious? [18:08:52] Thank you! [18:09:01] was what? [18:09:06] your question [18:09:12] I don't know what upper level wind shear is. [18:09:23] I'm guessing it's winds changing directions at different layers. [18:09:24] It's a flock of geese with scissors. [18:09:37] And I can see how it going one way then suddenly another way can screw with a rocket. [18:09:40] None may leave the Garden https://snag.gy/Opf7Pw.jpg [18:10:04] Blaank: have you ever went from a very high to a very low place within a short amount of time and noticed a change in wind speed and even possibly direction? [18:10:18] Scolar_Visari: There is 'withdrawal' from the garden [18:10:31] I've never been exposed to wind above anything like 20m. [18:10:36] Aye, stream no longer says 2 h, but 119 minutes [18:10:37] So I wouldn't know. [18:10:48] Blaank: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBB3NvlCYwg [18:10:48] YouTube - 2 Layers of Clouds Moving In Opposite Directions-Timelapse [18:11:00] What is your point? I know it happens. [18:11:24] Uh, you asked, haha [18:11:28] i wanted to know if you were trolling [18:11:39] what [18:11:43] i wanted to know if you were trolling [18:11:48] no. [18:11:51] ve2dmn: You just have to disembark upon request by the nice Nebula people. [18:11:55] ok [18:12:15] then i'll leave the rest for you to figure out [18:12:25] I still don't know what exactly upper level wind shear is which is why I'm asking and was guessing .... not helping at all. [18:12:51] Blaank: AFAIK, that's when wind is moving sideways relative to the rocket [18:13:30] Also, Ezko: Nice people are nicer than not so nice ones, so please be a bit nicer ;-) [18:13:35] And a rare example of an outpost on a moon with a highly inclined orbit aruond a ringed gas giant https://snag.gy/Kcw6Wm.jpg [18:14:24] Wind shear was involved in the Challenger disaster... although it was not the cause [18:14:26] APlayer: which part wasn't nice?! [18:14:38] How did wind shear even matter to a brittle o-ring? [18:15:01] "was not the cause" [18:15:06] I apologize if you meant to be nice, but your last few messages did sound a bit harsh [18:15:07] I think wind shear is involved in 99.99% of launches. [18:15:16] does anyone know where I can get some decent V5 heatbreaks? The all-M6 kind? [18:15:24] APlayer: i didn't though :)))))) [18:15:27] And three Diamondbacks docked at the same station https://snag.gy/uQqlTU.jpg [18:15:29] the only ones I could get barely have the threads filed off. [18:15:37] Wind shear is a fact of life. It being bad enough to actually matter seems rare. [18:15:44] Action: Scolar_Visari notes the middle Diamondback is the Scout configuration and the other two are Explorers. [18:15:58] Anyway, we'll just blame written conversation troubles and consider everyone nice [18:16:09] Blaank: have you heard of the jet stream shortening 10 hour flights by over an hour? [18:16:19] Yes, that's just wind. [18:16:20] Blaank: if I remember correctly, the fire created a 'seal' by melting melting and glass over the problem, and the wind shear re-opened the fissure enough for a fire to be projected in the direction of the main tank [18:16:28] sure the air is much thinner at that altitude, but it's moving a lot faster there [18:16:34] generally westward flights are a bit longer than eastward. probably because of those jets [18:16:37] ... but my memory is fuzzy on the suject [18:16:43] at least that was my experience [18:17:11] when is take off? [18:17:14] Althego: i think the scheduled flight times have like an hour difference at 10 hours [18:17:28] lift off [18:17:47] i based this on hungary-germany and germany-canada trips [18:17:51] Tank2333: current t-0 is bit under 2 hours from now [18:17:54] Tank2333: http://nextrocket.space/ [18:17:59] yes 112 minutes now [18:18:01] maybe [18:18:06] okay [18:18:08] 111 [18:18:10] nice [18:18:21] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders Tesla Roadster impacting surface of Mars. [18:18:22] unless weather decided to be an idiot again [18:18:29] it wont hit [18:18:30] Actually, T+a few years already, but let's be optimistic regarding the launch time :D [18:18:35] Blaank, there's a nice explanation here http://www.weatherquestions.com/What_is_wind_shear.htm [18:18:51] launch window to mars is not 2 hours usually [18:18:59] so they can try tomorrow [18:19:12] ve2dmn: The Weather cannot decide anything, we haven't completed The Weather Paradigm secret project yet. [18:19:15] APlayer: Falcon Full thrust is actually as powerful as the original plans for Falcon Heavy (if my memory is right) [18:19:22] Yeah they can try tomorrow, but today's window is 2 hours, apparently [18:19:35] I know what wind shear is. The only thing I was asking is if they are delaying the rocket because of wind shear at high altitudes. [18:19:37] Scolar_Visari: That's what they WANT you to think. [18:19:47] Blaank, oh. yes [18:19:52] probably because of erath rotation and inclination and stuff [18:19:57] ve2dmn: Even considering that FH was initially planned to be asparagus-staged? [18:20:01] ve2dmn: If they did, I would've gotten a little pop-up reminding me. [18:20:26] Though The Human Genome Project's already been researched. [18:21:09] with fuel flow from the boosters to the core [18:21:37] Action: Scolar_Visari still aims to get the free technology unlock with Secrets of the Human Brain, if only to spite Kurzweil. [18:21:44] Scolar_Visari: yes. A few years ago. I'm waiting for the pop-up for the "Cure for Cancer" [18:21:59] you do know there is no such thing as THE cancer [18:22:14] there are a multitude of mechanisms [18:22:18] some of them are curable now [18:22:20] Althego: Poppycock! It's all the same! My techtree says so! [18:22:32] Althego: ^ [18:23:19] The Longevity Vaccine is also a thing, because you can totes immunize yourself against aging! [18:23:48] Scolar_Visari: yes. It's called not living or the singularity [18:24:30] The Singularity doesn't prevent death, as Ashes of the Singularity has shown. [18:24:37] ...Although I think that's only in Stellaris [18:25:19] Robotic leaders in Stellaris can still die given particular events. [18:25:32] yes, but no more aging! [18:26:14] Likewise, you don't need to resort to robotics for immortality. Psionic leaders can become The Chosen and get a immortality modifier in addition to a Unity bonus. [18:28:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:29:19] Speaking of Paradox games, I'm listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izXVqwWmR78 [18:29:20] YouTube - Viking Gods CK2 Viking Metal DLC [18:29:32] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders changes to Psionic Jump Drives in the upcoming update. [18:30:42] At least Mass Relays are in it? [18:31:17] Scolar_Visari: I think the Jump drives are kept as a late-game stuff [18:31:57] ve2mn: They're supposed to function as hyperdrives but with the option of pre-update jump drives albeit with ridiculous cooldown timers. [18:32:24] I can see a lot of mods, "restoring" old FTL propulsion in spite of the upcoming colonization mechanics. [18:32:47] you know that you don't have to type-out my name if your client support tab-completion? [18:33:04] ve2dmn: I don't like using the tab button. [18:33:25] It's haunted by the ghosts of alt-tab past. [18:33:28] I spend my days in bash. Tab is friend. Tab is life [18:33:46] Action: ve2dmn shiver. [18:33:53] I understand your pain [18:34:53] Psi Corps = Tab!? [18:35:36] Hail Tap god [18:35:58] Also getting launch time for FH NET 3:15 EST. [18:36:16] All hail the Holy Command Line! [18:36:57] Wait . . . Cities Skylines has a free weekend on Steam. Last I checked, Tuesday is not the weekend. [18:37:06] Action: Scolar_Visari points http://store.steampowered.com/app/255710/Cities_Skylines/ [18:37:36] What nonsense is this!? [18:38:17] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ1E47M88p8 [18:38:18] YouTube - Stellaris OST - Faster Than Light Feat. Mia Steagmar [18:39:44] I would hope that the new mass relay mechanic would make multiple galaxy maps more tenable. [18:40:35] why is it with peoples re-streaming streams that are already on youtube [18:40:52] I can watch the stream on the spacex channel why go on some weird channel [18:41:06] Fluburtur: trying to get views to get traffic to get front page to get $ [18:41:21] Scolar_Visari: Didn't you know? Free weekends begin on thursday and end on wednesday! [18:41:28] ok so it's just idiotic and useless [18:41:31] Or some obscure stuff like that :P [18:41:38] It's all the $ [18:41:47] Kalpa: Amusingly, Fallout 4 was free-to-play this last weekend. [18:42:40] Then I remembered I did not like Fallout 3 and passed for more Total War Warhammer II shenanigans. [18:43:03] Ghouls? More like whiny Tomb Kings amirite? [18:43:11] Total Warwar Hammer [18:43:13] I <3 Fallout Fallout Fallout, but from what I've read the fourth in the series is lame. [18:43:35] Mathuin: I really like Fallout 2 [18:43:44] Mathuin: The only true 3d Fallout title is New Vegas. [18:43:53] I haven't had the time to play 1 or 2, partly because I haven't had the right machine at the right time. [18:44:11] Right machine for fallout 1 and 2? [18:44:13] Scolar_Visari: that's a very persuasive argument. [18:44:14] Iskierka: Total Waaaghammer. [18:44:18] Interesting, they are actually going for fairing recovery [18:44:19] Mathuin: MY LOGIC IS UNDENIABLE [18:44:21] Could probably be played on a calculator [18:44:21] NolanSyKinsley: yeah, we're a Linux shop at home. [18:44:29] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVXbp4NUMAAdXcA.jpg:large [18:44:39] I am linux only and I played em [18:44:59] Mathuin: Needs bigger fairing. [18:45:48] Iskierka: Seriously though, Tomb Kings are good fun. Expendable infantry and pyramid-loads of statue monsters? Yes please. [18:45:48] If they recover the fairing, they'll get back everything but the payload and the second stage, right? [18:45:55] correct [18:46:06] Mathuin: Well, that and a few explosive bolts. [18:46:12] And the fuel, but eh [18:46:24] Action: Scolar_Visari pictures explosive bolts getting tiny little parachutes. [18:46:40] Stream was reset to T-2:00:00 again [18:46:46] Launch pushed back again it seems, 12:45 pst stream starts [18:46:57] Ninja'd :p [18:47:03] lol [18:47:11] ffffffffffffff [18:47:15] never ever [18:47:19] Hrm! Why might these parts resist name tag changes? [18:47:48] Hey math...your parts are showing [18:47:49] Action: Scolar_Visari is amused by the new Warhammer fantasy games in spite of the Age of Sigmar reboot. [18:47:50] :P [18:48:19] Blaank: Soon (tm) [18:48:20] How much dV wiggleroom do they have? Could they do a launch 12 hours opposite the window? [18:48:30] soon" [18:48:40] soon [alt+0153] [18:48:49] I memorized the alt code for that. [18:48:50] The restrictions might not just be deltaV. They may only have paid the Air Force and others for this window. [18:49:04] Hmm.... good point. [18:49:12] Unsanctioned launches have a fine of how much? [18:49:19] dV is non-issue. look at payload mass [18:49:20] Probably loss of permits [18:49:27] Blaank: None at all. The exact time is not a matter of launch windows, but the recommendations of the augers. You see, rocket launches cannot be conducted in inauspicious conditions. [18:49:44] Right-click part, see Change Name Tag, left-click button, nothing happens. [18:49:44] what [18:50:03] I am told that Elon Musk has Etruscan priests brought to the Cape to read the entrails of local fauna and movement of flocks of birds to determine the correct time for launching. [18:50:07] And what stops Elon from launching without a permit? [18:50:27] What stops him from holding all world leaders hostage with spent booster stages? [18:50:34] Blaank: The anger of the rocketry gods will smite his vehicle down. [18:50:36] Landing a falcon 9 core on the white house. [18:50:42] eh 114 minutes agian [18:50:44] He could do it. [18:50:47] Nothing is stopping him. [18:50:57] Blaank: Range safety would probably detonate the stage. [18:50:58] Hard to reuse the business end of an ICBM. [18:51:09] Scolar_Visari: I thought they didn't have range safety explosive stuff on SpaceX gear. [18:51:10] Blaank: it would be a problem for his future mars plans [18:51:13] do the priests say "wololo" and then the rocket changes colour? [18:51:22] Mathuin: Why not? They've detonated them before! [18:51:32] WHen? [18:51:42] When the Falcon 9 grasshopper 'sploded, for one. [18:51:43] hmm [18:51:50] >implying he can't fly to space and rule over the world from there dropping tungsten rods on critics. [18:51:52] It was initiated automatically. [18:52:27] I'm not sure Roverdude's warp drive mod is sufficient for interstellar distances in KSS. Especially given you can't time warp while under power (if you could, 100k seconds would be reasonable enough) [18:52:33] Hmm. F9 has an automated system to do that, previous launches from the Cape required Air Force. Not sure about Grasshopper. [18:53:02] Falcon Heavy launch just got delayed again [18:53:06] Mathuin: The Grasshopper's computer detonated it automatically as well, though I imagine SpaceX has the option for manual override. [18:53:12] 3:45 [18:53:25] well, I can test it with an infinite fuel sandbox craft or something. [18:53:30] But "Launch auto-sequence initiated" [18:54:28] Mathuin: "During the flight, an anomaly was detected in the vehicle and the flight termination system automatically terminated the mission" from http://www.newspacejournal.com/2014/08/23/falcon-9-test-vehicle-destroyed-in-accident/ [18:54:29] https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/502974683864518657 -- looks like the Grasshopper did blow itself up 3.5 years ago. [18:54:29] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/502974683864518657 Three engine F9R Dev1 vehicle auto-terminated during test flight. No injuries or near injuries. Rockets are tricky & [18:54:34] hahaha [18:54:46] But it looks like that was the only time it's happened. [18:56:03] SpaceX CRS-7 had a range safety destruct signal sent to it, albeit after the carrier vehicle had already detonated. [18:56:33] I think one time the range safety detonation was sent like a minute after it blew up as a formality. [18:56:43] ok, yeah, from Kerbol to The All would apparently be about 10^6 seconds at the speed of light. reasonable if and only if time-warping is possible. [18:56:58] Well, you don't want some idiot poking fallen high explosives with a stick. [18:58:10] The article I read theorized that toxic fuel in the ocean was the reason to send the signal after breakup. [18:58:32] LOL https://twitter.com/xwithmywoes/status/960948885077352449 [18:58:33] @SpaceX https://t.co/IvNvg1e1FH [18:58:59] Mathuin: Psht. I'm sure that stuff's good for ya'. [18:59:25] I could just remove Alcubierre Drive mod and install KSPIE... [19:00:06] thing is I don't know how well it would work with RoverDude's mods, what with things like tritium... hmm [19:02:45] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders going back to more Waaaghammer as launch will probably delay into oblivion. [19:03:02] Or back to Stellaris? [19:03:17] ;choose Stellaris:Warhammer II [19:03:23] Bleh. [19:03:32] why not both? [19:04:48] Well I *do* have two monitors. [19:05:00] Well, actually, ones a TV for viewing during Elite long-hauls. [19:05:01] Stellaris with the Warhammer mods? [19:05:11] ve2dmn: Yes, but it's *fantasy* Warhammer! [19:05:29] pff. Space Elves are best elves [19:05:30] Action: Scolar_Visari still should probably finish the Elder Scrolls mod for Stellaris despite the upcoming update. [19:05:53] depending on what it might not conflict [19:06:22] Iskierka: Yes, Stellaris already has the Warp, but it does not have proper Lizardmen. [19:06:36] heh [19:07:27] https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=872596925 [19:07:51] Iskierka: Lizardmen! Not dinosaurs! Where are the Slaan? Think of the Skinks! [19:07:58] https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=861800679 [19:08:35] Oi'! That's not a lizardman! THIS is a lizardman! https://cdn.creative-assembly.com/total-war/com.totalwar.www/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/16123137/liz_roar_LOGO.png [19:08:40] Speaking of big things going to space... https://i.gyazo.com/8e63027220d65297bb7fb6c31f663005.png [19:08:52] https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1168459329 [19:08:54] heh [19:09:08] Action: Scolar_Visari sighs because Krog-Gar and Mazdamundi cannot be included in the same army from the beginning. [19:09:27] How can you start KSP on a Mac directly, not from within steam? [19:09:50] darsie: from the finder? [19:11:05] or maybe using the command line. It's a mon app after all [19:11:58] mono app * [19:12:16] Action: Scolar_Visari also dreads having to fight the Lizardmen as any other race. Saurus Warriors cut through skeleton spearmen like hot obsidian blades through crumbly feta. [19:14:17] Though it's less, "cut" and more, "bludgeon through with uncontrollable rage" [19:14:25] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/149873-ixs-warpship-original-series/ gonna test this [19:14:34] because messing around in sandbox is important, heh [19:17:32] I ALWAYS use sandbox mode. [19:17:49] can come up with some pretty insane things in there. [19:17:54] The VAB requires an upgrade for name tags. SIgh. [19:18:53] Action: Scolar_Visari leaves to wait to leave again. [19:22:37] if the rocket is going faster than the wind it won't see the wind then right? [19:23:23] it won't see it as wind no. It will be like a wall of air [19:23:49] shhh [19:50:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:55:38] TIL that yodobashi has their own TLD [19:56:50] what is yodobashi [20:02:12] Camera store in Japan [20:02:38] with VERY annoying store music [20:04:03] That plays in a loop [20:06:22] Do not search for Yodobachi Camera them music. It's super cheezy and you'll nver be able to get it out of your head [20:06:32] theme* [20:13:00] Stream is now closer than ever to starting :D [20:13:24] hehe [20:14:03] Also, I think this can be taken as confirmation? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/960949244982018049 [20:14:04] Launch auto-sequence initiated (aka the holy mouse-click) for 3:45 liftoff #FalconHeavy [20:15:31] strange music [20:15:45] started [20:16:11] Woo! [20:16:13] You're gold for notifying me [20:16:37] Let's have a moment of silence for this launch to be successful :D [20:16:55] yay live stream started, good sign :D [20:18:01] Webcast is live! [20:18:11] can someone ping me if it goes realy live? [20:18:17] also take note at the bottom right, they have 2 feeds now and you can select between them! [20:18:45] oh didnt know that [20:19:00] Jeez, 455000 people watching [20:19:22] 455000 potential customers. not. [20:20:20] investors, employees, but not customers. [20:20:49] yeah [20:21:25] 24 minutes to launch :o [20:21:38] over 500k now [20:23:04] LOL, I am having a video suggestion about the FH launch with a smiling Elon preview and a quote on it saying "Either way, it will be exciting" [20:23:15] This 100% describes my attitude right now [20:23:43] Also, stream intro just started [20:23:48] Time to 'check yo staging' [20:23:57] Tank2333, stream just went live [20:24:06] thx [20:24:16] that's a lot of boiloff [20:24:45] I have the EverydayAstronaut Livestream on the second screen ;) [20:24:56] Anyway, see you after the launch, I am not missing a single second to chit-chat :P [20:25:27] technical webcast plz [20:25:56] this cheering is so annoying [20:27:41] woooo mister knees [20:27:48] Ezko, bottom right, you can switch the feed to the countdown net audio [20:27:52] .nextlaunch [20:29:40] 830k not bad [20:29:45] OH [20:29:46] thanks NolanSyKinsley [20:30:01] so that's why there's no separate technical webcast anymore [20:30:29] why is it not showing the rocket [20:31:18] obviously because the rocket is a FAKE WEATHER BALLOON and they have to reinflate it real quick [20:31:47] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Support the Kerbal Space Program today and BUY LAUNCH BONDS! [20:31:50] On the fox 5 stream I hear bowie [20:32:00] nearly a million viewers on the lifestream [20:32:09] oren: I hope it's not Space Oddity. That would be a poor choice of song for a launch. [20:32:30] "two if by land, one if by sea" [20:32:37] I don't speak bowie so I dunno [20:32:46] maybe it's the hadfield version? [20:33:10] oren: Space Oddity was about a one Major Tom who ended up dying. [20:33:24] I'm guessing it's life on mars [20:33:40] ....I guess I have a TV, I could go check [20:33:53] Action: Scolar_Visari notes that Major Tom's space ship did not know where to go. [20:33:58] lol the fox 5 stream also has a ton of Elon [20:34:04] s turkish fans [20:36:03] hmm countdown net doesn't have timer [20:36:14] T-9 [20:36:22] Feral Orcs > Skeletons. [20:36:24] hmm I think they actually put a kerbal on a mini roadster :D [20:36:35] Dat physical damage resistance. [20:36:50] that would be fun [20:37:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:37:21] Supernovy: You missed it. There was discussion of lizardmen. In. SPACE [20:37:39] ooh I'm glad I'm not a Visari [20:37:40] Oh, and some one got the daft idea to tape three rockets together. [20:37:57] Not nearly as interesting as cold blooded killers riding dinosaurs (in space). [20:38:06] fox 5 uses VLC [20:38:11] lolololol [20:39:28] Supernovy: And, "a" Visari? There's only one after the events of Killzone 2, as far as I'm concerned. Not to be confused with the Vasari of Sins of a Solar Empire fame or famed Italian polymath Giorgio Vasari. [20:39:49] so, who's watching the falcon heavy launch? [20:39:55] or should I ask who's not? [20:40:08] Raazeer: It's all just CGI. Rockets don't space! [20:40:15] i agree Scolar_Visari [20:40:22] Raazeer: with 1.3 millions actives views [20:40:24] pretty impressive graphics if you ask me [20:40:33] make that 1.5millions [20:40:48] Ezko: Not as good as Orbiter, really. [20:40:53] don't be ridiculous, the liberal media can't afford CGI, they just found a really big tall bird and put a hat on it [20:40:54] Probably all of us @Raazeer [20:41:05] + all the people who watch on TV and not the SpaceX Livestream [20:41:07] and then taped two other big tall birds to its side [20:41:15] tawny: Big Bird Heavy. [20:41:35] Scolar_Visari: yeah but they'll get better [20:42:02] can't see excrement captain [20:43:07] Somewhat Bigger Bird Heavy [20:43:14] Almost two million viewers [20:43:36] Action: Scolar_Visari wonders why stream did not default to, "Better Than Real Life" resolution. [20:43:36] EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [20:43:40] ITS HAPPENNING [20:43:45] Godspeed, little big rocket! [20:43:52] yay :D [20:43:58] Also, yes, IT'S HAPPENING! :D [20:44:04] I love how the narration stopped [20:44:15] Only a minute left? Geeze, time flies when you're messing with time dilation. [20:44:25] Action: Scolar_Visari should probably not orbit so close to a black hole. [20:44:31] 1.9 million viewers [20:44:42] Stream lagging/stopped for me :/ [20:44:57] 10s [20:44:58] here it comes [20:45:00] Action: Scolar_Visari eagerly awaits fireworks. [20:45:17] Liffoff! [20:45:22] go go go [20:45:25] go [20:45:33] success already by elon'"s standards [20:46:14] its flying down! [20:46:16] :) [20:46:25] As it turns out, putting two more rockets on the sides increases thrust. [20:46:26] flat earth confirmed [20:46:58] Scolar_Visari: moar boosters confirmed [20:47:14] WOOOOOOOHHH [20:47:32] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders if the FH engineers are relieved that their KSP Unity 5 simulations of the connecting struts worked in real life. [20:47:57] it didnt kerbal [20:48:01] yay [20:48:02] no [20:48:05] where the boosters nose hiot the core [20:48:06] no explosion [20:48:09] i want refund [20:48:33] Althego: Nonsense. They simply quick-loaded after several explosions. [20:48:37] lol [20:48:41] second engine ignited [20:48:51] so it will probably work now [20:49:05] for the landing [20:49:06] Whatever the fate of the core stages, we now must deal with the ethical concerns of having placed a car into deep space. [20:49:08] that is different [20:49:20] hahaha the car [20:49:20] ARGH! [20:49:22] lol [20:49:27] dont panic lol [20:49:32] lol [20:49:37] i was typing that to discord [20:49:54] Action: Scolar_Visari begins to ponder if the car will return to Earth on its backswing or be perturbed into a permanent heliocentric orbit. [20:50:10] glad it wasn't N-1 2: Korolevtric Boogaloo [20:50:13] with all those engines [20:50:17] hehe [20:50:27] only one of those engines failed yet [20:50:37] Supernovy: The vibration of 27 engines would be rather unpleasant. [20:50:45] there is a good ttrack record [20:50:49] maybe the tesla comes back to earth like vyger in sta trek 1 [20:51:06] hehe [20:51:15] sentient all that :) [20:51:23] or oyage and pion in the whatsitsname anime [20:51:24] "where is my master" [20:51:27] Tank2333: No, it would return as a Model S. [20:51:30] speed data on all would be nice [20:51:51] (v)oyage(r) and pion(eer) as funny ai androids [20:51:58] Ezko they need a unity upgrade for that [20:52:01] Action: Scolar_Visari notes that sending a tank would've been a better demonstration of the maximum lifting capabilities. [20:52:28] You could probably get a Sherman tank into orbit without ditching the boosters? [20:52:35] scolar but not 60 tons to mars [20:52:53] Tank2333: No, but that would be about a modern MBT. [20:53:18] haha i can see the flame from the other booster from the camera [20:53:20] i thought they where delaying them [20:53:20] of the one [20:53:23] and tehy landed [20:53:25] operfectly [20:53:27] Tank2333: ah right [20:53:35] they actually did it syncronous - wow [20:53:40] Huh, they landed at the same time. Just like in KSP. [20:53:47] there was something about 15 sec difference [20:53:53] but now they did it at the same [20:54:01] as usual no image [20:54:06] always [20:54:11] i think they are cheating [20:54:18] Action: Scolar_Visari imagines the signal returning with lots of fire. [20:54:20] me too [20:54:23] CGI [20:54:39] new Olympic sport: synchronised booster landing [20:54:41] Tank2333: You can't launch objects beyond the Firmanent, silly! [20:54:43] at least they say that they lost the signal :) [20:54:46] at least have an external image from an other ship [20:54:52] not like some other space company [20:55:05] which other [20:55:10] even if they lost the core, it is nice [20:55:11] Exploding Rockets Co. [20:55:13] and there is the car [20:55:20] ariane? [20:55:20] wngine cutoff [20:55:31] Tank2333: Hey now, Ariane 5s are quite reliable. [20:55:38] Also have a better payload fairing. [20:55:43] im not talking about the rocket [20:55:44] ok they used to explode because of overflow error [20:55:51] Tank2333: Ariane Grande cannot into space. [20:55:58] no [20:56:00] ^^ [20:56:19] Even her voice is insufficient for lifting payloads. Now if you combined her with an Adele booster, we can talk. [20:56:36] full successs [20:56:40] hello [20:56:45] That was amazing. [20:56:47] Show the stage. I wanna get back to cleansing the Badlands in the name of Settra. [20:56:52] Seriously amazing. [20:57:20] Mathuin: Well, it *would* have been amazing if it was, like, a Lamborghini. [20:57:25] pretty cool yeah [20:57:46] But a Tesla Roadster's just a Lotus plus batteries. [20:57:46] 2.2 mil views [20:58:01] Woah [20:58:03] Tank2333: Almost as much as my State of the Helghast Union. [20:58:03] That was fing amazing. [20:58:04] is there life on Musk? [20:58:08] i guess its without the li ion batteries [20:58:39] did you see the one problem with FH? :D [20:58:48] So... I have no words [20:58:50] so now all that is left, is the injection burn in about six hours [20:58:54] Tank2333: A battery fire on the pad would've been an amusing way to prematurely end a mission. [20:58:57] well maybe ariane can Hello in Soundgarden [20:59:00] That double landing was BEAUTIFULL [20:59:16] I wonder if the main stack is okay [20:59:24] TheUnamusedFox: for quite some time I thought they were showing us only the footage of one booster :D [20:59:26] RandomJeb: Unknown. [20:59:36] Mat2ch: my secret fear was that both were programmed for the same landing pad [20:59:38] I'm watching their twitter [20:59:41] But did you see the one major problem? ;) [20:59:55] Mathuin: yeah, I had that thought for a second, too :) [20:59:59] Ok, here it comes [21:00:01] Mathuin: Almost as bad as the Polyus launch incident. [21:00:08] i need to make my braking burn to go back to the kerbin soi [21:00:11] that double landing was great [21:00:19] the boosters didn't separate simulatniously. [21:00:20] Well it didn't blow up. [21:00:21] i was just plannign the maneuver when we hit 30 sec [21:00:24] The pushed the central core a bit around [21:00:26] *They [21:00:40] RandomJeb: I'd appreciate a highlight if you see anything related to the center stage [21:00:44] I wonder if polyus is connected to polybius... [21:00:45] So, boosters recovered, core was stolen by @waywardboat? [21:00:58] Mat2tch: If you looked closely, they were pushed off of the main stage by tiny people. [21:01:07] UmbralRaptor: Gremlins, of course. [21:01:13] Supernovy: via Tetris, maybe. [21:01:26] Of course! [21:02:38] Action: Scolar_Visari actually recalls von Braun discussing manual disconnection and casting off of spent cislunar rocket stages by teams of astronauts prior to the invention of reliable explosive bolts. [21:02:46] So did the core stage make it down? [21:02:58] I think one of the booster stages came down hard and bent a landing leg. [21:02:59] Blaank: Yes. Whether it survived or not has not been disclosed. [21:03:02] It was tilting a bit. [21:03:11] well of course it came down [21:03:20] Make it down in one piece. [21:04:10] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVYWR2IUQAAutMB.jpg [21:04:36] It looks exactly like the CG mockups. Coincindence? I think not! [21:04:47] Wake up sheeples! [21:05:22] Beauty shots: https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/960980119312453632 [21:05:22] Falcon Heavy side cores have landed at SpaceXs Landing Zones 1 and 2. https://t.co/oMBqizqnpI [21:05:38] Wow, I was ninja'd [21:05:54] Flubadub was faster [21:06:28] Does this mean that we can now start working towards the Science Victory? [21:06:37] Any news on schrodingers core? [21:06:46] It's neither landed nor exploded into pieces. [21:06:52] It will pick a state once we observe it. [21:06:52] It apparantly landed and crashed at the same time, according to many different sources... [21:06:54] Scolar_Visari i thought nasa won already with STS 1 [21:07:12] Tank2333: Yeah, but, that was back when Alpha Centauri was the space victory. Now it's Mars. [21:07:38] never played civ :) just watched some letsplays [21:07:52] Tank2333: what are you waiting? [21:08:01] Tank2333: Civilization V is best civilization. [21:08:24] that is the consense of the youtubers too :) [21:08:28] Civ IV had a really good modding scene a while back [21:08:29] Scolar_Visari: Freeciv is the best fun/$ ratio [21:08:34] Action: Scolar_Visari is still perturbed that Firaxis made Cleopatra the leader of Egypt in spite of her being a Ptolemy. [21:08:44] ve2dmn: You can't divide by zero, silly! [21:08:49] Freeciv is UNDEFINED. [21:08:53] I even wrote a couple small mods and contributed to a larger one, but it's a rather old game now [21:09:16] Supercheese: Civ V has a rather extensive list of mods, too, though I still wish Firaxis would've moved to a globe. [21:09:26] Scolar_Visari: pls no. No undefined behavior. [21:09:35] According to a picture uplaoded by someone on /r/spacex IRC, the core has landed... kind of [21:09:45] A leg is bent completely to hell [21:09:59] https://imgur.com/a/r3m0q [21:09:59] https://i.imgur.com/Z1he45X.jpg [21:10:12] oh lol [21:10:15] wow, how is that still standing? [21:10:15] I saw such a core already [21:10:19] Scolar_Visari: the leader of egypt should be akhenaten [21:10:24] Not sure if that's the same or not [21:10:28] That looks like an old video [21:10:31] oren: Sun worshipping heretic! [21:10:46] Scolar_Visari: Praise the sun! [21:10:55] There's like a thousand egyptian leaders, it's been around for a long time. [21:11:04] oren: It's not like there weren't other female leaders, either. Why they chose the final Hellenic leader of a foreign dynasty continues to elude me. [21:11:20] but they have to serve the plebs [21:11:31] so ceopatra it is [21:11:39] Wow it's workinggggg! [21:11:41] Yeah, I would take that with a grian of salt now that my surge of hype induced adrenaline is over [21:12:01] Heck, Hatshepsut was even in Civilization IV! [21:12:28] That may or may not be an old image someone decided to troll with, but I think it's the current landing... I hope it's the current landing [21:12:29] TheUnamusedFox: https://youtu.be/bvim4rsNHkQ?t=67 [21:12:29] YouTube - How Not to Land an Orbital Rocket Booster [21:12:41] the newer the game the more uneducated the targeted players [21:12:48] There you go, don't trust anyone on the internet :( [21:12:51] its law of nature [21:12:55] Tank2333: sadly :( [21:13:11] TWO BOOSTERS LANDED, the center core is left. [21:13:26] Similar one at 51 sec: https://youtu.be/bvim4rsNHkQ?t=51 [21:13:26] YouTube - How Not to Land an Orbital Rocket Booster [21:13:27] ve2dmn hail to the casual god [21:13:29] Tank2333: Psht, Rome II was a vast improvement over Rome I history wise, but that really didn't take much effort. [21:14:03] Scolar_Visari true,... men did i love RTW 1 [21:14:24] Tank2333: Warhammer is best Total War. [21:14:37] shogun 2 was the last one i played [21:14:41] And of course these Flat Earth nerds are saturating the live YouTube Live chat. [21:14:46] At least sieges are now fun. [21:14:49] i hae Rome 2, i should get on it sometime [21:15:22] Draconiator: what live chat? the official live chat was disabled [21:15:33] Action: Scolar_Visari still ponders why CA chose to make ginormous cities and castles with equally ginormous walls for sieges in every game instead of going for smaller, more defensible structures. [21:15:35] ANY live chat [21:16:05] .... sadly right [21:16:09] And apparently the center one landed too. [21:16:31] Hopefully landed in one piece [21:16:40] Case in point, here's a level 1 castle that's larger than most actual Medieval cities https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nCpQm4YT6ck/maxresdefault.jpg [21:17:08] i think that there's a pretty good chance it blew up since no tweets or anything yet [21:17:34] im out for now, cya guys [21:17:35] 0/ [21:17:42] I'm going to go with center core blew up. [21:17:53] they would have said it was successful by now. [21:17:58] Action: Scolar_Visari hated siege battles in Shogun 2 with upgraded castles. [21:19:55] Wikipedia says the fate of the core stage is still unknown. [21:21:25] well it got close enough to the drone ship to shake it to lose telemetry so I'm going with landed but tipped over [21:21:47] their twitter has been quiet for 25 minutes now [21:21:58] Action: UmbralRaptor guesses that the core splashed down hard and was destroyed. [21:22:37] UmbralRaptor: Sometimes they splashdown and float. [21:22:47] I sure want to wait for news, but I've got to go now... See you guys! Also, I guess, uh, congratulations on a nice launch? [21:23:00] APlayer: Nice? How was it nice!? There were no explosions! [21:23:04] Worst. Fireworks. Ever. [21:23:07] The two side ones landed okay [21:23:13] Action: APlayer slaps Scolar_Visari [21:23:33] Anyway. Bye! [21:23:37] have fun [21:23:37] Elon Musk promised 50/50 odds of fireworks! [21:23:49] they should have put a bomb in the roadster [21:24:02] blow it up if no explosions [21:24:06] ^ [21:24:11] RandomJeb: A bomb in the passenger seat with a nice, visible timer. [21:24:16] yes [21:24:28] or literal fireworks, stash a catherine wheel in the glovebox or something [21:24:49] "Okay guyz, I really didn't think this would work and my automotive insurance doesn't cover orbital, so Imma gonna have range safety detonate the Roadster." [21:25:09] "Does insurance pay if they can't inspect the debris?" [21:25:27] "Road safety. That's like Range Safety but for cars, right?" [21:25:28] KrazyKrl: Allstate can. I think. [21:25:52] Supernovy: Nothing says, "No DUI" like detonating one's car for failing a breathalizer. [21:25:57] This is really exciting though...if you block out the chat.... [21:26:03] hmm I wonder if they used their fuel margin for the center core due to wobble control [21:26:29] Draconiator: Amusingly, the Falcon Heavy may not see much in the way of launches. [21:26:43] Except for that passenger flyby of the moon in december. [21:26:46] Only problem is you have to avoid underpasses, because the escape tower is too tall. [21:26:52] and those few launches in march and april. [21:27:01] It was envisioned long before improvements to the throw weight in the standard Falcon 9s, and that puny payload fairing . . . [21:27:15] KrazyKrl: they said they won't rate FH for human flights [21:27:31] they want to go on to BFR next [21:28:19] Eric: A cislunar flight on the Falcon Heavy was announced last year. [21:28:41] I am . . . doubtful of it happening. [21:28:58] Oh hey, did the fairings get recovered as was planned? [21:29:09] Center core is gone, but still a HUGE success. [21:29:17] shttps://www.theverge.com/2018/2/5/16975850/spacex-falcon-heavy-launch-elon-musk-tesla-questions [21:29:24] oups https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/5/16975850/spacex-falcon-heavy-launch-elon-musk-tesla-questions [21:30:04] so there is the mention of not rating the FH for manned flights [21:30:37] is shhtps like super http secure [21:30:47] BFR within the near futrue is even more doubtful. [21:31:01] Ezko: Super Hyper. [21:31:14] Draconiator: source? [21:31:44] Just saw people in chat say that. [21:31:50] It's the "Shh total protection system" Bulletproof earmuffs. [21:31:53] but I don't know for sure. [21:32:01] Two side ones landed though. [21:32:05] bit suboptimal delta v usage http://www.warpology.com/k/perpendicular1.png http://www.warpology.com/k/perpendicular2.png [21:32:06] well there is no success twitter post [21:32:30] Action: Scolar_Visari winces at the suggested BFR first launch at 2022. [21:32:34] and probably a 'major' success is better for future development than a full success [21:32:37] Let's assume it's a complete loss: Still impressive [21:33:03] ve2dmn: Complete loss of all hands. [21:33:11] because if everything goes well, you didn't bend the rules far enough :D [21:33:13] Those poor, poor people. [21:33:25] How does this thing measure up to the Delta Heavy anyway? [21:33:32] Scolar_Visari: complete loss of all Kerbals too [21:33:36] Also, the flat earth guy tried to take off, and failed. His steam rocket didn't. [21:33:38] well, for one it starts with F instead of D. [21:33:47] Draconiator: It's like two Delta IV Hs in terms of maximum payload capacity, but with a punier payload fairing. [21:34:02] delta IV heavy is like 1/2 the cargo to LEO [21:35:04] FH plays its full potential when it is not at maximum capacity so the cores can be retrieved [21:35:09] However, the payload capacity with all stages reused is likely similar if not smaller. [21:35:32] Also: The Falcon Heavy upper stage is meh. Go all cryogens or go first stage. [21:35:35] *lesser. Because we know it *must* always be smaller, because Falcon fairing [21:35:42] Here's what Space.com has to say about it. [21:35:46] In a sort of cosmic dance, the three first-stage core boosters returned to Earth much like SpaceX's Falcon 9 rockets have in the past. Two boosters touched down at SpaceX landing sites at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station near KSC. The third was scheduled to land on SpaceX's drone-ship landing pad "Of Course I Still Love You," stationed in the Atlantic Ocean. However, the video feed on the drone cut out before the booster se [21:36:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:36:28] Iskierka: The trick is to make denser payloads! [21:36:35] Reusable GTO cargo on the FH is ~6,000kg. Expendable GTO on a DIVH is ~14,220kg [21:36:42] Action: Scolar_Visari imagines a larger payload fairing would require a redesigned upper stage. [21:36:57] Expendable GTO on FH is ~22,000kg [21:37:04] Scolar_Visari: nah. just more space tape [21:37:15] It requires the whole rocket to be redesigned as it's an issue with the fineness ratio [21:37:23] which you can't significantly affect on only the upper stage [21:37:35] Iskierka: Psht, the Atlas V! [21:37:47] has way less fineness than Falcon 9 [21:37:48] I feel like they could have launched more cars [21:37:57] well as side dish, they propably get some nice data from their suit [21:38:13] Fluburtur: I was hoping for a tank. [21:38:30] would have been pretty cool [21:38:32] See, just make it so you can put your payload fairing base underneath the upper stage! https://mk0spaceflightnoa02a.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/CLHVbxdUcAA0kMr.jpg-large.jpeg [21:38:37] or that spitfire for funkirk [21:38:39] Fluburtur: A Sherman Tank in orbit. [21:38:40] which is probably why they're not going ahead with human-rating and such. Kinda realising FH is dead in the water and doesn't have much market, so they're moving past it to BFR [21:38:43] or that one dr who episode [21:38:54] Iskierka: They made the Falcon 9 too well! [21:39:29] Action: Scolar_Visari remembers talk of the Falcon Heavy being avoided entirely come up many years ago as the Falcon 9 payload capacities improved to facilitate reuse. [21:39:31] FH imo is a cheap way to the outer solar system. BFR is the terrestrial spaceplane/Lunar stuff. [21:39:45] No news yet on the third core...I'ma make some burgers [21:39:48] KrazyKrl: Eh . . . It's not really good for lifting things like a larger vehicle with better payload fairing. [21:40:17] Which is why SpaceX never really discussed using any of the Falcon rockets for stuff like that. [21:40:36] lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBr2kKAHN6M [21:40:36] YouTube - Live Views of Starman [21:40:40] Also: 50 tons maximum for payloads make designing stuff like deep space vehicles a pain. [21:40:57] I would assume the third core lost - and as mentioned before - a major partial success is probably better for future development [21:41:08] Eric: A partially successful failure. [21:41:15] than a full success on the first test [21:41:40] wow live [21:41:54] take that flat earthers [21:42:00] KrazyKrl: Mass gain in aerospace projects is a serious issue during R&D, and I can think that trying to fit something (like say, a nuclear thermal rocket core) would be a pain with just 50 tons to work with an no wiggle room. [21:42:00] https://twitter.com/arnaldocapo/status/960983886787502085 clever, but totally believable too. [21:42:01] That moment when you realize that the center core didn't make it but they say to shut up and tell no one.& https://t.co/gb1KzJdQGq [21:42:01] quite far away [21:42:10] so i take the trans mars injection happened already [21:42:33] Althego: not for a few hours as per Twitter. [21:42:34] i wonder if the suite is pressurized [21:42:48] Another five hours until the burn. [21:42:50] to use this as atest [21:42:52] heh [21:43:05] Action: Scolar_Visari is still wary of the BFR's proposed Mars architecture. [21:43:19] ah 7000 km apogeee [21:43:31] "Hey, let's launch our crew into space and then hope our three refueling flights are all successful and on time!" [21:44:22] so is that 5 hours because of trajectory precision or is it a test for the suite or something [21:44:29] they will do the injection burn at apogee to demonstrate geostationary injection capability [21:44:31] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBr2kKAHN6M If it hasn't been posted yet [21:44:32] YouTube - Live Views of Starman [21:44:57] or maybe it is for the craft [21:46:08] hehe i wanted to press . so that earth rotates into view faster :) [21:46:26] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B_tWbjFIGI&feature=youtu.be&t=2299 [21:46:26] YouTube - Falcon Heavy Test Flight - Countdown Net Audio [21:46:40] there is the confirmation of the lost center core [21:47:10] at 38:30 [21:47:14] I want to see the video of the boom [21:47:57] The Core decided it really wanted to swim instead of land. [21:47:58] well it was a long time sicne the blew up one [21:48:19] Same, I want to see boom. [21:48:28] Blaank: Hey, I came to watch all three explode. [21:48:35] the swimmer was t he previous one [21:48:51] it was dumped into the sea but it survived lol [21:49:02] Yes, the FH core was emulating its predecessor. [21:49:08] Though I think all three of these cores were reused? [21:49:12] maybe it ran out of fuel and finally sinked the ship [21:49:23] Scolar_Visari: the center core was new [21:49:24] boosters were reused [21:49:30] could see by the grids [21:49:37] the ones of the booster were already toasted [21:49:42] How long are the batteries going to last on the orbiter? [21:49:43] Fluburtur: They need moar paint. [21:49:51] And has it done the mars transfer burn already? [21:49:58] Blaank: It's a Tesla Roadster, so not very long. [21:50:11] Scolar_Visari they didn't send the intern to scrubt eh grids with a toothbrush [21:50:18] omg that is beuatiful. [21:50:24] The earth. [21:51:14] Live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBr2kKAHN6M [21:51:15] YouTube - Live Views of Starman [21:51:52] I'm just over here with HDEV: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/17074538?html5ui=1 [21:52:32] why u no put solar panels on it [21:53:02] i can see the deniers already [21:53:04] where are the stars [21:53:13] How can you start KSP on a Mac directly, not from within steam? [21:53:27] on anything [21:53:33] it doesnt depend on steam in any way [21:53:41] you can even just copy it out to a separate dirt [21:53:42] I can't find it in finder. [21:54:06] double click ksp.exe in the steamapps/common/kerbal space program folder [21:54:48] Blaank: Hmm, I'm not at the mac rn ... I'll ask again, later. [21:55:06] I don't know how that messed up stuff works. [21:56:02] It's on a friends mac, who's playing with my KSP. [21:58:15] so I'm off for the night, by [21:58:19] e [22:01:42] i think i wait another earth view [22:01:43] Blaank: Earth? Beautiful? Psht, I've seen plenty more pretty planets. [22:01:46] So we thinking the tesla thing will be running for about 3 days? [22:01:59] and then i got to bed [22:02:41] Requiescas in partibus, O rucheta media [22:02:41] Action: Scolar_Visari points to Robert Aitken Orbital https://mk0spaceflightnoa02a.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/CLHVbxdUcAA0kMr.jpg-large.jpeg [22:02:53] Supercheese: Nothing is true, Every Payload is Permitted. [22:04:38] Action: Scolar_Visari leaves to support antislavery efforts in Aisling Space. [22:07:15] https://imgur.com/gallery/Xhlo5 [22:07:16] https://i.imgur.com/BEnpAeD.jpg [22:07:47] hehe [22:08:52] Mathuin: I like the comment about how the resell value of that car will be crap with all the milage [22:09:27] plastic might be a bit cracked with all the UV too [22:09:57] and no oil change... [22:10:29] batteries might be a bit used too [22:12:55] dosnt matter how damaged it gets [22:13:18] there will be somebody in maybe a few decades who gets the car back to sell it to a museum or something [22:13:34] decade or centuries [22:13:36] It's a shame the Hubble never made it back to the Smithsonian. [22:13:51] no shuttle to take it down [22:13:57] have y'all been watching the livestream of the car? [22:14:05] yup [22:14:26] spot anything interesting yet? [22:14:37] lol [22:14:42] what do you mean [22:14:45] it is just a car [22:14:52] earth is the big attraction in the images [22:15:08] how dare you [22:15:20] ve2dmn: the moon made a guest appearance [22:15:59] ve2dmn: https://i.imgur.com/8VWwWXn.png [22:16:12] Althego: car > moon [22:16:24] it always surprises me how small the moon actually is [22:16:33] somehow we see it a lot bigger [22:16:42] it only appears small on camera images [22:16:53] AHEM, that is not just a car [22:17:19] It's just THE car [22:17:47] Althego, the moon appears small in a wide-angle lens. With a telephoto lens, the moon can appear massive [22:18:18] Althego, http://cdn.digital-photo-secrets.com/images/flickr/2230344021_d1fc66320e.jpg [22:18:27] I think my small optical telescope has a focal lenght of about 800mm [22:18:35] where is et on the bicycle? :) [22:18:35] just right to take moon pictures [22:18:51] yes but the moon is only half a degree visually [22:18:56] so it is actually small [22:20:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/410560300874465290/DSC_8335.JPG [22:20:28] my best moon photo yet [22:22:17] hehe [22:22:28] it is not even in the picture completely [22:22:48] yeah [22:22:52] my mount was wobbly [22:22:54] and the moon looks better with a shadow, you can see the surface at the terminator [22:23:05] you know how you push it and then it goes back [22:26:44] Fluburtur: What's your imaging setup? [22:27:14] a cheapo optical telescope, my camera and hot glue [22:30:23] ah i see where you went wrong there [22:30:30] you didn't use duct tape [22:30:34] or as we call it here [22:30:39] I did use paper tape [22:30:40] jeesusteippe [22:30:42] teippi [22:30:56] What does "Rigit Attachment: Off" mean in the editor? [22:31:02] Rigid sorry [22:31:15] Mathuin, it means the joints are standard (a little flexible) [22:31:34] Lots of things connected together will be floppy [22:31:36] Okay, I've got a loosey goosey craft, not sure the best way to make it less angry. [22:31:44] they make your... rocket flacid [22:32:01] Do I need to make *every* one of these rigid? [22:32:10] Mathuin, best way is to turn on autostrut on the outer parts [22:34:06] Advanced Tweakables, right? [22:34:16] That and 'aim camera' are the only things I've used it for. [22:34:19] Mathuin, that's right [22:34:25] my telescope setup https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/410563875390488597/IMG_20180201_023149.jpg [22:34:31] autostrut is lovely [22:34:37] lovelies thing made for ksp [22:35:18] +t [22:35:45] NicknameHere [22:36:08] I need a work screw drive for this [22:36:16] to point it accurately and with no wobble [22:38:07] neat [22:45:14] Mostly one-time craft for a tourist who wants to do suborbital flight around Kerbin. It should be profitable even before the recovery of the pod and electrical system. [22:45:17] https://imgur.com/a/ALuu1 [22:45:17] https://i.imgur.com/0HCR8jg.jpg [22:45:51] also intended to test concepts for orbital rescue craft [22:47:14] as such, I'm planning a fairly arching trajectory (also because she doesn't want to pass out on reentry, which a straight vertical burn could well do) [22:49:58] did everything go to plan with that spaceX launch? [22:50:38] Jeb evicted, tourist loaded, ascent nominal. [22:50:40] https://imgur.com/a/uxRph [22:50:40] https://i.imgur.com/3UqzYWM.png [22:55:33] uh they put a stargate cam in the 2nd stage [22:56:30] Blaank: I'm sure they didn't send the batteries up with it. Too dangerous for the launch [22:56:42] Then how are the cameras running? [22:57:11] ah, those batteries. Thought you were talking about the ones in the roadster [22:57:29] Maybe solar panels somewhere? Who knoes [22:57:33] *knows [22:58:38] second stage needs fins, sigh [23:06:06] after a rather hot ascent, she's not only going suborbital, she's going to end up almost back at KSC. [23:06:12] https://imgur.com/a/VyHWt [23:06:12] https://i.imgur.com/XAmEmUZ.png [23:07:39] deliberately not going to get her into orbit, since I don't want the first Kerbal in orbit to be a tourist, but I might get her into a decaying trajectory with a 65 km peri or so so she can watch a couple sunrises from space. [23:09:39] So it's 2018. And we just witnessed a rocket launching a damn car into orbit and land again. And a car with a livestream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBr2kKAHN6M I can't believe it... [23:09:40] YouTube - Live Views of Starman [23:10:11] there we go. First tourist with an almost-orbital trajectory. [23:12:58] https://imgur.com/a/EXKLH [23:12:58] https://i.imgur.com/mqppgT8.png [23:13:01] Preparing for rocket sep (in atmo, to avoid littering), and the tourist should be fine for several partial orbits. https://imgur.com/a/brtHM [23:13:02] https://i.imgur.com/t2JHBLo.jpg [23:14:42] aww, should have brought a snack container. https://imgur.com/a/EXKLH [23:15:10] but the grace period is plenty long to decay this orbit. [23:21:29] Hello [23:21:51] Thank You Hal [23:22:00] Is there a working real solar system mod still? [23:32:30] diveyez: I think so [23:34:16] Well didn't the central core crash? Still a success. [23:34:29] I mean I'm looking at a tesla roadster in orbit. [23:34:30] still have goosebumps... [23:34:32] there is for 1.2? [23:34:51] Lots of stuff flaking off it. What is all that debris in the livestream? [23:39:53] Probably atmospheric fuilds [23:40:04] Looks fine here [23:40:08] Changing chemical makup and tuning into ice or molten lava [23:40:14] Blaank: car fluids? [23:41:20] Hello [23:41:32] Cant use discord :P [23:41:45] there's a KSP discord? :O [23:41:55] Tourist continues to be happy, should be home in another 3 orbits or so. And there's still technically been no Kerbal in orbit. [23:41:56] There's a kOS one, I know that. [23:41:58] a redit [23:42:04] https://imgur.com/a/Mka4j [23:42:04] https://i.imgur.com/DYCUveB.png [23:42:13] Hrm. AT enabled, but I don't see autostrut as an option. [23:42:13] r/kerbalspaceprogram [23:42:53] Well gotta go, im at school atm so I need to get ID photos taken. [23:42:58] bye [23:43:59] People really should use Matrix instead of Discord. Discord is a company, Matrix is open like IRC [23:44:34] irc is better suited for high amounts of peoples [23:44:37] like here [23:45:09] IRC has issues, but IRC is *old* and established. [23:45:17] irc always works [23:45:21] There's no real good way to know what you've missed while you're gone, for instance. [23:45:29] Any thoughts on my AT question? [23:45:42] yes there is [23:45:47] I would usually ask "what new" if I really wanted to know [23:45:49] my client is (almost) always online [23:46:24] I have weechat running on my homeserver constantly, and connect to it with a weechat client [23:46:41] yeah i have irssi on a friend's server [23:46:51] putty or juicessh connect to that [23:47:21] i'm finnish, the top level domain of my hostname is .de and the server is in france [23:50:41] Ezko: if you use a bouncer, you can find out. That's not the default. [23:50:42] Action: UmbralRaptor points a fan at tumbleweed. [23:50:53] ANYWAY [23:51:01] Do I have to unlock struts or something for the autostrut option to be visible? [23:51:20] i'm not using a bouncer [23:52:07] as i just described [23:52:21] Okay, so "gone" in my sentence is "online" in yours. [23:52:34] If you are offline for six hours, and reconnect, you cannot find out what you missed in those six hours. [23:52:57] In the early nineties I worked on a project which developed an IRC alternative for a school. It's still running. [23:53:17] We have "detach" mode, where while you are detached you can get private messages and public ones stored in "review" buffers. [23:53:33] You can review individual channels (called "discussions") there. [23:53:51] Biggest UI difference between IRC and Lily is that all messages go in the same window in Lily, not in separate ones like here. [23:54:23] So, back to KSP. I see the Fuel Delivery Overlay option so I know I've got AT enabled. Any other ideas on why I can't autostrut? [23:55:08] i've never done it in career mode so i don't know what's required there [23:55:44] but when i enabled advanced tweakables it started showing [23:56:01] so yeah probably something needs to be unlocked [23:58:26] ugh making process diagrams isn't very fun