[02:59:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:53:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:31:07] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [05:31:07] ohoho, friday stream will be differential equation with ollie [05:35:11] clever zombie [08:50:49] wasnt there some launch this week? now all on next [08:52:31] Don't know. But no Starship launches :( [08:54:42] i wouldnt expect any for a while [08:55:05] supposedly the orbital one is the next, where they splash down near hawaii [08:55:35] and the parts are not yet ready, much less assembled for the booster, and still has to be testexd [08:56:28] I fear that, too. [08:56:43] SN16 probably will get scrapped [08:56:53] I don't think it will fly. [08:57:17] But I could be wrong and they just wait to get the OLIT and OLT done and the cranes out of the way. [08:58:57] the SH methan downcomer pipe is long. Really really long [09:39:27] https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2021-june-10 [09:43:34] it will be almost nothing here [11:12:23] ufo, whatever, tldr https://i.imgur.com/bPDbz9f.png [11:35:37] (local) leet time [11:42:34] . [11:50:16] Althego: now I want to know what is in the blue envelopes. [11:50:49] what's in the box? [11:50:55] what blue envelope [11:51:01] Read the last line [11:51:16] "Open your blue envelopes and snooze" [11:52:02] There was a sealed evelope on their plane for this situation. [11:53:16] where did you get that link from? [11:58:50] irc [12:00:17] Crazy stuff. [12:00:17] i think at best all this ufo thing is a huge distration [12:00:22] From what [12:00:26] who will benefit? [12:00:29] yes, that is the tihng [12:01:00] look, what is this? a ufo! quick, grab the worst camera we have! [12:01:15] I showed you the pics from the fighter yet. [12:01:23] No bad camera, just quick shots. [12:01:24] yes those were better [12:01:37] I'm not talking about the basic lunatic here. [12:01:51] but think of this, everybody carries a high resolution camera with them, if they are here, tehre should be thousands of pictures [12:02:05] and why now? Don't know. Could be coincidence. [12:02:53] Could also be that some scientists are working on things that might change our view of the universe and allow us what they have. Superluminal travel. [12:03:03] Then it's a good time to introduce themselfs. [12:03:13] And how to do it better than by increasing the talk about them. [12:03:19] i woul like to have superluminal travel please [12:03:22] That's how you break the news. [12:03:45] If you want to avoid panic give as many signs as possible that something big might happen. [12:04:00] Then almost everyone is mentally prepared. [12:05:01] nobody can be prepared [12:05:27] Why not? [12:06:41] also consequences of just the mere existence of alien life would have long lasting changes in society. or example in law and religion [12:07:22] for example somebody kills an alien. is that murder? [12:07:43] legally this is totally undefined [12:10:42] oh yes, and history taught us that if two cultures come into contact, even if they are human, the less development culture will always be worse off [12:38:32] That is the case because the less developed culture was always abused. But WE already know that this is a bad thing and try not to do it anymore and even preserve indigious people [12:40:22] and yes, the laws would need adaption, but that's a minor thing and the aliens probably have some suggestions how to define it. [12:41:54] The German law speaks of a "human". But the English law says "person" already. And a intelligent alien would fall in the category "person". [12:42:25] obviously [12:42:50] as religion is not an allwoed topic that would take a hard hit too [12:42:58] and we cant spea more about that [12:43:50] The US is... a weird thing, because every state seems to have a different law for it. [12:43:59] there is a rather short book, The Greks Bring Gifts [12:44:40] what would happen if aliens gave us their tech [12:45:03] Iff there is intelligent life out there and iff it is watching us, then they have probably no intention to make us gifts. They are just watching. [12:45:23] i wouldnt contact us [12:45:24] Because everything else could have been done decades ago. [12:46:07] Watching yes, contact no. But if they are a bit like us, they will have a few dull individuals which might show up on radar... [12:46:29] Or... they are unaware of us and don't think that we are an intelligent species. [12:46:40] that is the recurring joke [12:46:46] they found no intelligent life on earth [12:46:47] But it would explain those close encounters. [12:47:04] Curious what a plane is and why it just fired things [12:47:25] Not getting that there are intelligent people inside watching them back. [12:47:53] we can transition to the fermi paradox and the great filters [12:48:06] Think of an intelligent species that developed on a huge ocean planet [12:48:11] maybe ultimately every intelligent life is met its end before contact [12:48:23] maybe they built ai that took over and killed them [12:48:38] we have such intelligent species here [12:48:39] whales [12:48:45] probablysmarter than us, but cant show it [12:48:49] they have no technology [12:48:51] But why doesn't the AI care about us then? [12:49:12] And if the whales are smarter than we are, they would've figured out a way to show it. [12:49:20] Different sounds, movement, etc. [12:49:52] also i am quite afraid that most life is outside of the goldilocks zone under ice in gas planet moons [12:50:25] so even if they intelligent they dont see the stars to inspire them [12:50:29] they dont even know they are there [12:50:52] I don't think that there is life at all. [12:51:05] Life needs sunlight to develop as huge power source. [12:51:54] The cycles this planet goes through every day by being heated up and cooling down again moves all the nutrients around [12:51:54] there is at least some chance that the first life here was chemo synthesizing near hydrothermal vents [12:54:59] two star trek episodes come into mind. in voyager when they are trapped next to a planet and the inhabitants culture is influenced just by the presence of the ship which looks like a bright star [12:55:49] there is an other one in tng, when there are some xenophobic aliens and riker is held captive, and starfleet realizes it was a mistake to be among them in person [12:58:23] there is a third one, where picard is thought of as a god by the locals, i really like that episode, but unlikely that the peaceful resolution would happen in reality [13:01:57] yeah, TNG and TOS were kinda naïve [13:05:32] these are titled blink of an eye, first contact, who watches the watchers [13:05:42] huh, google can find it from a few wirds [13:05:44] words [13:07:49] The first one was an accident and Voyager got stuck there and couldn't move. Also the planet itself was in a time bubble and developed much quicker so the few hours Voyager was there was 1000 years for them [13:08:09] the second one you mention I don't remember [13:08:47] but the third on ends in Picard getting shot by an arrow and "dying" [13:08:57] not dying [13:09:00] just injured [13:09:10] and then they realize they are just people too [13:09:34] I think it hit his heart again... [13:10:00] Also: An accidental contact [13:10:10] we wouldn't think as Gods of them now. [13:10:11] i really cant remember the titles [13:10:51] or was that a title? [13:12:06] and "First Contact" doesn't fit either, because we are used to being spied on by foreign intelligences somehow... [13:12:18] What title do you not remember? [13:12:33] i though an accidental contact wasa title because you capitalized [13:12:38] umaxtu: TNG was the Dark Mirror of the 90s. :D [13:13:05] Oh, no, I did that, because there was a colon. [15:04:30] kikkerikii [15:12:24] huh, world of warcraft [15:12:52] what about wow? [15:13:01] classic [15:13:03] whatever that means [15:26:16] hah der8auer finally got to that nano probing cpu transistors video [16:23:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v Mod9000' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:11:41] nsf also speculates that since sn17 is disassembled and nothing is happening to sn16, and there is also work on sn20, it seems next flight will be the orbital [22:08:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:39:16] !mission [22:39:16] FLHerne: A pine cone. [22:40:31] To be fair, that was sort of defined as a launch