[00:04:36] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+ooov Supernovy purpletarget|zzzz Dman979 phroa' by stormlight.esper.net [00:40:01] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Ceres is still not a planet. [00:40:35] did someone try to say it was? [00:40:52] dsockwell: Alan Stern, in a recent co-authored editorial. [00:41:03] He's . . . Never moved on from 2006. [00:42:05] Action: UmbralRaptor should be able to find sources claiming that Ceres is a planet& from the 19th century. [00:42:10] tbh it's been time for a formal classification of dwarf planets and large asteroids [00:43:12] but the difference of being the only (or close enough) object in its own specific orbit to within whatever tolerance is important [00:43:44] UmbralRaptor: Of greater interest are unanalyzed photographic plates from the same century! [00:44:09] !!! [00:45:03] Action: UmbralRaptor wonders if the plates could help with parallaxes and proper motions. [00:45:04] dsockwell: While you can use geophysical characteristics, a lot of small objects are firstly classified by their orbits or obvious phenomenon (Trojans being in planet-star Lagrange points, comets emitting tails, etc.). [00:45:28] UmbralRaptor: I've heard it mentioned they'd be useful for analyzing certain variable stars and, perhaps, Planet IX. The *real* Planet IX. [00:47:34] The more Alan Stern writes about the planet definition nonsense, the more I'm convinced he simply has an irrational hatred of astronomers. [00:47:57] From his new article: "Astronomers ignore the new definition of planet every time they discuss all of the exciting discoveries of planets orbiting other stars. And those of us who actually study planets for a living also discuss dwarf planets without adding an asterisk." [00:48:13] Maybe the ghosts of Kozai and Liddov haunt him? [00:48:36] UmbralRaptor: Exorcism is required. Herschel's Holy Water is hard to come by, though. [00:49:02] well, s/haunted/perturbed/ [00:49:27] If he's simply perturbed, that will require a Newtonian Body Correction. [00:49:37] We'll balance out his humors or he'll die trying! [00:50:16] Action: Scolar_Visari also ponders what business an astrobiologist had cowriting Alan Stern's editorial. [00:53:19] Amusingly, I *did* find a New Horizons based paper in which the abstract starts out with, "The Pluto dwarf planet"! Leyrat's et al.'s, "Predicted Antenna Temperatures Measured by REX/New Horizons During The Plutos Flyby/Probing the sub-surface in Microwave". [00:55:07] Action: Scolar_Visari is actually interested in a meta-paper which would tally up the amount of times people use a non-IAU definition in reference to planets. [01:00:26] That would be interesting. [01:02:53] More Horizons related papers directly mention Pluto as a dwarf planet than I would have thought, though Stern co-authored ones do not! [01:04:36] :3 [01:16:51] In ur system, perturbing your planetary embryos: Clement et al.'s, "Mars' Growth Stunted by an Early Giant Planet Instability" Icarus 2018 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.04233.pdf [01:17:27] Action: Scolar_Visari notes with great amusement that the Clement et al. paper dismisses a big chunk of the Rare Earth conceit of a benevolent Jupiter. [01:20:16] Scolar_Visari: so im arguing with someone about china and how they might be a little bit irresponsible with spend stages and the lack of abort capabilities [01:20:29] Scolar_Visari: and this dummy tells me that you cant abort a rocket launch [01:24:38] Action: Scolar_Visari turns the range safety detonation key, uncovers the button and depresses it. [01:27:55] Scolar_Visari: "aborting" a launch is not something that is really possible. If you lose guidance, how are you supposed to guide the rocket away? At that point, it is just a flying dumb bomb filled with tons of toxic and explosive fuel. If you have a way to avoid losing a rocket if guidance fails, you NEED to go work at NASA, ESA, or any other space program, because we don't have one. Heck, the Russians had a rocket crash because they [01:27:56] mounted a sensor upside down. It's called rocket science for a reason. It's pretty hard. [01:32:35] Scolar_Visari: i honestly dont know what hes doing on a space subreddit if he doesnt understand the concept of flight termination [01:32:41] There's little need to guide a failed rocket away if the ordinance atomizes it. [01:33:12] I presume they're on there the same reason electric universe trolls periodically invade mainstream physics communities. [01:36:48] like my entire point was that China treats their people a bit more expendably than america. I pointed to them dropping rocket stages near villages regularly and the fact that a simple FTS system could have made Intelsat 708 a whole lot less awful [01:37:01] and he comes out with "abort isn't possible" [01:37:27] like the entire point of an abort system is for IF ITS OUT OF CONTROL [01:37:32] like jeez [01:39:09] he really got to me with his Chinese defending crap [01:39:35] Mind you, there has been a new launch facility developed since that time with a superior range. [01:41:12] The Xichang launch facility may be mothballed entirely, as I understand it. [01:41:54] Scolar_Visari: I'll believe it when they actually start launching Long March 2(letters) from it [01:43:55] The CNSA has already started launching rockets from Wenchang, including the 25 metric ton to LEO CZ-5. [01:44:20] Scolar_Visari: the reason I brought it up is that it happened on their recent LM-3B launch [01:45:31] Scolar_Visari: ok but the LM-5 is its ONLY capability atm [01:45:31] Launch failures are a fact of life. [01:45:49] Launches hitting villages isnt [01:46:04] it's preventable [01:46:06] Uh . . . No. The first launch from Wenchang was the CZ-7, which is intended to replace older LVs. [01:46:41] oh right [01:46:55] still. they sure are taking their time fixing it [01:48:01] Scolar_Visari: https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/993364755200008196?s=19 [01:48:01] Rocket debris near a town in Guizhou province following the Long March 3B launch of Apstar-6C satellite on May 3. https://t.co/rCH5wD8yhr [01:48:24] might be the closest I've ever seen one land to a village other than that engine that hit a dudes house [01:51:08] It's worth keeping in mind that China has a considerable annual launch volume. [01:52:16] Scolar_Visari: America hadn't really risked hitting anyone's houses since we killed a Cuban cow [01:52:20] Action: Scolar_Visari notes Russian spent stages impact farm land down range all the time. [01:52:27] Russia sucks too [01:52:45] Rokker: NO, but the United States also happens to have more convenient transportation and security considerations. [01:52:46] but at least Siberia isn't that populous, at least vs china [01:53:01] Kazakhstan is not Siberia. [01:53:34] the stages don't land in Kazakhstan too often afaik [01:54:45] They do it all the time, and this has been a sore point between Kazakhstan and Russia for many years http://www.russianspaceweb.com/baikonur_downrange.html [01:55:09] Scolar_Visari: clearly those considerations no longer apply to China since they now have wencheng yet they are dragging their feet to fix it for the other launches [01:56:08] I always understood it to be more Siberia than Kazakhstan, maybe I was wrong [01:56:09] It takes time and, in this particular case, is not as relevant since they're planning on phasing out older LVs. [01:56:32] I'm just saying this wouldn't exactly fly in america [01:56:54] Not anymore [01:57:23] Again, America had a far, far, far more convenient infrastructure and geographical background. [01:58:06] There were also different privacy concerns. Baikonur was so used because it was physically isolated, whereas there's no comparable point in the continental United States. [01:59:18] uhhh [01:59:32] I mean there kinda is [01:59:53] Except for that part where the U.S. has a higher population in a smaller space than Russia. [01:59:54] we just realized launching from the coasts is easier and safer [02:01:04] Scolar_Visari: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wk9RC30J3AI/maxresdefault.jpg [02:02:25] Scolar_Visari: america absolutely could have stuck a launch site in the western desert areas and been fine [02:02:31] like near area 51 [02:02:41] but we didnt [02:02:43] You know, which is next to Roswell, New Mexico. [02:03:05] The American West is much, much, much more populated than Siberia. [02:03:06] Scolar_Visari: um what [02:03:09] UM WHAT [02:03:23] Scolar_Visari: geography doesnt work like you think it does [02:03:31] Action: Scolar_Visari points out the inexplicable metreopolises of Las Vegas and Phoenix. [02:03:58] I'm not sure you're noticing the big blots on the map there in the U.S. west that don't have counterparts in Siberia. [02:04:13] Or central Kazakhstan, for that matter. [02:04:17] Scolar_Visari: tell me how in the world nevada is near new mexico [02:04:43] Scolar_Visari: theres kinda a whole state separating them [02:04:54] Scolar_Visari: also, we made white sands and the nevada test ranges work [02:06:08] Area 51 is 14 hours drive time from roswell [02:08:33] Scolar_Visari: I think you will find that a launch site in the Nevada nuclear test range could have had a wide range of non-populous area hitting orbits it could have made [02:09:21] Confusing it with White Sands, at any length: No, it still would not have worked as well as Baikonur did. [02:10:16] Action: Scolar_Visari notes hitting non-populated areas would've also been difficult given the Mississippi River Valley is invariable down range. [02:11:10] Scolar_Visari: yeah, well kamchatka and china are downrange of baikonur, but that far downrange they kinda stop worrying [02:11:32] you dont see NOTAMS blocking off far downrange areas for rocket launches [02:12:34] The Mississippi's close enough to be a concern. [02:13:36] anyways this isnt about russia and their dumb practices [02:13:49] this is about china, who has a pretty populous coastline themselves [02:15:08] Again, their flagship LV family will be launching from Wenchang, as will any super heavy LVs. [02:15:57] they arent fixing it fast enough imo [02:16:05] they need to ramp it up faster [02:16:24] the fact that nobody has been hit by these stages is luck more than anything else [02:18:22] Your opinion does not take into account economic and infrastructural limitations. Setting up launch sites its difficult, expensive work. [02:18:54] There really is no particularly hurry, particularly since debris impacts from spent stages aren't really an enormous risk in practice. [02:19:36] I can't imagine transporting CZ-3 LVs to a place never meant to house them being very cheap, either. [02:20:14] i cant imagine the US even taking a risk like this, regardless of infrastructure and economic limitations [02:20:19] or europe [02:21:11] The United States, again, already had a built up infrastructure that made coastal launches convenient. [02:22:23] A lot of those inland Russian and Chinese launch sites also double as high inclination launch areas, which is a very important consideration in military aerospace. [02:23:29] And, again: Baikonur and Inner Mongolia were very physically isolated and easy to secure. The U.S. could not expect such privacy in even the most remote areas. [02:25:13] Scolar_Visari: I'm saying, let's imagine the US and China switched place. same cultural dead, just switched geographical settings, I can't imagine America doing what China did [02:25:16] They wouldn't need spy satellites or recon planes to do what a wayward Cesna pilot or Vegas tourist could do on the cheap. [02:26:10] Action: Scolar_Visari points to open air nuclear testing near populated areas. [02:28:45] anyways [02:28:56] if China really career they would add FTS [02:32:40] I'm not sure whether any of the last failures would have involved the use of ordinance. [02:35:33] Scolar_Visari: i guarantee Intelsat 708 would have benefitted [02:38:06] It may have very well had ordinance installed but the RSO may have elected (or simply failed) to activate it. [02:41:17] Scolar_Visari: nah, chinese rockets didnt and, afaik, do not have FTS [02:42:35] When CRS-7 failed, it didn't receive a destruct signal until 70 seconds after it had veering off course. [02:43:31] Scolar_Visari: this was a bit more clear of a deviation from course than CRS-7 [02:44:06] Scolar_Visari: the simple fact that they dont even have FTS speaks volumes imo [02:44:40] That's funny . . . The manual for the LM-3A series explicitly describes its manual and automatic destruct sequences. [02:46:02] As does the CZ-2E's manual. [02:46:17] Scolar_Visari: i swear i read they didnt, dont remember where, might have been NSF [02:47:40] Given their attraction to the EmDrive, I can see why they might have ignored documentation for the various CZ vehicles. [02:48:21] Scolar_Visari: they are the best source of a lot of LV documentation honestl [02:48:26] CZ-B Safety Control https://www.globalsecurity.org/jhtml/jframe.html#https://www.globalsecurity.org/space/library/report/1999/lm3bchapter9.pdf||| [02:50:13] If they had people arguing that the Long March family lacked ordinance, I'm going to highly doubt that. Being a commercial LV, this would (and has been) very, very easy to verify. [02:51:46] i would like to see one from pre-99 [02:51:52] like 96 [02:53:28] According to the Space Review, all rockets since at least the CZ-2 have had ordinance installed. In the case of the Intelsat disaster, it appears it was simply activated too late (there being a period of time where the rocket *can't* be detonated to avoid pad damage). [02:54:14] Action: Scolar_Visari links to http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2326/1 [02:54:47] Scolar_Visari: god forbid they damage the pad instead of killing a million people [02:55:23] Orbital ATK does it right [02:55:25] I don't think the highest estimates come close to a million. [02:55:35] blow up all the pads [02:55:48] Scolar_Visari: hyperbole [02:57:25] So if a hyperbole is a greatly exaggerated statement... what sort of statement is a parabole? [02:58:15] Supercheese: An escape statement. [02:58:29] Parabolic rhetoric, if you will. [02:59:48] https://i.imgur.com/PQkSqHy.jpg mmmm [03:00:13] IE: "That's speed dater's alleged cat allergies was just parabolic rhetoric to exit the conversation's orbit." [03:01:40] IE2: "When that KSP Executive changed the subject from yesterday's launch failure to KerbalX's launch failure last year, they were putting the subject on a parabolic rhetoric exit." [03:03:22] im off to bed [03:03:43] You can read the CZ manual of operations as a bedtime story. [03:05:17] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to write manuals for KSP rockets, complete with lots of colorful text, pop-up pictures and exclamation points. [03:35:41] Retrhetoric Retrorocket ramjet return? [05:05:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v Guest29498' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:24:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Mostly_Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:54:52] So if a hyperbole is a greatly exaggerated statement... what sort of statement is a parabole? <-- on the broadest generalization, a "hyperbole" is "something that is more", an "ellipsis" is "something that is less", and a parabole is "something that is equal" [06:56:44] hehe [07:00:39] that is also how mathematical hyperboles, paraboles and ellipses are constructed, you have the same formula, but for hyperboles one parameter is >0, for ellipses the parameter is <0 and for parabolas the parameter is =0 [07:04:33] anyway, you can find parabolas in all sorts of stories, usually ones that try to draw a morale [07:06:48] for example this whole story is one massive parabola https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZYNADOHhVY [07:06:49] YouTube - The Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant [07:11:37] Howdy [10:21:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:37:48] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+vov Hikaru Technicalfool RyanKnack' by stormlight.esper.net [13:00:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:17:56] while I think about it, I already have a complete rotor head [13:18:12] could start CADing the intermesher now if I wanted [13:45:54] Fluburtur: speaking of jntermeshing [13:46:02] build a HH-43 [13:46:20] no box [13:46:25] and I want to make my own design [13:46:32] Fluburtur: :( [13:47:27] Fluburtur: plzzzz [13:47:35] it ugly [13:48:24] Fluburtur: not as ugly as you [13:48:35] no [13:48:38] im beautiful [13:48:40] yes [13:48:45] thanks [13:48:48] u uggo [13:49:28] do you even know how I look like? [13:49:32] probably actually [13:49:38] Fluburtur: ... [13:49:41] youtube [13:49:50] yeah I guess [13:50:09] Fluburtur: the HH-43 is probably the least ugly intermeshing heli out there. [13:50:45] the kmax looks nicer [13:50:47] also http://www.aviastar.org/foto/gallery/flettner/flettner_kolibri_6.jpg [13:51:13] are you high [13:51:25] the K-max is disgusting [13:51:43] it's not a box [13:52:14] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/10/N265ka_krj.JPG/1280px-N265ka_krj.JPG [13:52:21] this is objectively horrible [13:52:42] no it is nice [13:52:45] Fluburtur: the HH-43 has the nice rounded back [13:53:39] Fluburtur: http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/Airshows/Koksijde%201968/HH43%2062-4559%20Koksijde%20100768%20Robert%20Roggeman%2002.jpg [13:54:04] what is that ugly pipe [13:54:19] Fluburtur: turboshaft exhaust [13:54:34] ugly [13:56:48] Fluburtur: better than the OH-43 [13:58:15] Fluburtur: http://www.aviastar.org/foto/kaman_hok.jpg [13:58:31] Fluburtur: same heli, but with a wasp rotary engine [13:58:31] huh [13:58:35] double wasp I think [13:59:36] Fluburtur: some of them covered it up, but generally they didn't https://i.pinimg.com/originals/98/ee/5c/98ee5c3261afee050a5ccdd221f0fa00.jpg [13:59:51] wrong link [14:00:08] Fluburtur: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/HOK-1_NAN10-53.jpg [14:06:25] Fluburtur: that looks so much better than the kmax [14:06:31] nah [14:08:40] yes [14:09:30] box helis are not nice [14:13:46] Fluburtur: ur dum [14:13:50] no u [14:14:15] Fluburtur: I like your disgusting box bombers, why can't you like our disgusting box helis [14:14:37] next ur gonna try telling me the H-21 looks better than the Chinook you lunatic [14:14:43] because the farmand is actually nice [14:14:51] the chinook is ugly [14:14:56] banana helicopter [14:15:47] I'm going to be honest, every time I hear about how 'ugly' an aircraft is, it turns out it's one I really like the look of. [14:16:09] The A-10 Warthog is an example of that. [14:16:19] nah the a-10 is alright [14:16:32] nice minigun with wings [14:16:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:17:01] I loke how there is always a mod joining when im arguing with Rokker [14:18:46] Fluburtur: are u calling the Chinook a banana chopper? [14:18:51] yes [14:18:59] Fluburtur: the H-21 is far worse [14:19:12] Fluburtur: also, >A-10 [14:19:18] >miniguj [14:19:22] minigun* [14:19:52] Fluburtur: if you stuck a minigun in an A-10 I would disown you and never talk to you again [14:21:16] k [14:22:56] Fluburtur: http://www.aviation-history.com/piasecki/h21-5a.jpg [14:23:16] k the is worst than the chinook [14:37:52] Fluburtur: the Chinook doesn't look to bad compared to that eh? [14:38:01] yeah [14:38:21] well I did take a pic of the chinook at the bourget airshow so I guess it isn't the worst [14:49:51] Fluburtur: http://www.diseno-art.com/news_content/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Boeing-347-1.jpg [14:49:53] wings [14:50:12] wings [14:50:13] heh [14:50:39] i had a german coworker with the name harald wings [14:51:18] Fluburtur: I could see a bit of a use for those wings but what I don't understand is why they can rotate [14:51:35] reduce drag when in hover [14:51:37] I guess [14:51:41] http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/A_Models/65-07992/BV347_wing_rotated.jpg [14:51:45] adjust ot the airflod coming fromt he rotor [14:51:49] it's just weird [14:52:12] yes osprey has a simila problem for hovering, there it juts uses extreme flaps instead of complete wing movement [14:52:53] that was a very odd design btw [14:53:08] the BV-347 had a good few weird modifications [14:54:59] well it is a blohm voss aircraft [14:55:13] Fluburtur: no it's boeing [14:55:17] not many bv stuff are not weird [14:55:59] Fluburtur: the BV347 is that Chinook, it's not Blohm and Voss [14:56:04] it's Boeing [14:56:15] it got the bv spirit [14:56:22] lol [14:56:30] you can't put "BV" on an aircraft and expect it to be fine [14:56:42] Fluburtur: I just discovered a yakovlev tandem rotor heli... [14:56:51] it's the boxiest helicopter ever [14:57:02] the tandem were early stuff isn't it? [14:57:21] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Yakovlev_Yak-24_at_Central_Air_Force_museum_%283%29.jpg [14:58:08] uh it's not the tandem I was thinking of [14:59:32] wait, i need to link something tandem [15:00:27] https://twitter.com/fedeju93/status/992763917213601792/video/1 [15:00:28] AHAHAHAHAHAHAH 🚀 capolavoro #giro101 #giro @giroditalia https://t.co/weuqHDrbBd [15:00:47] what an invention it is [15:09:35] uh [15:25:52] hah, systematic classification of life ep27, i was waiting for this (mr ra) [15:37:38] Fluburtur: I'm forever annoyed that the museum has an HH-21 but will never have a chinook [15:37:50] we have the worst tandem chopper [15:39:20] have y'all ever seen the massive chinook skycrane boeing wanted to make [15:39:51] well [15:39:52] I don't think I did [15:39:55] it wasn't chinook [15:40:14] but same tech [15:40:16] just larger [15:40:36] Fluburtur: project was cancelled https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Boeing_XCH-62.jpg [15:40:48] skinny [15:41:16] big [15:41:24] Fluburtur: 28 meter rotor diameter [15:41:29] nice [15:42:02] that would make a big propeller clock :) [15:42:03] reminds me of the Dune2 Caryall [15:42:13] hehe, carryall [15:42:30] it is still not apparent how it would fly [15:42:37] "magic" [15:42:46] it cant even have computers [15:42:56] "more magic" [15:43:13] not to mention ornithopters on pure mechanical control... [15:44:18] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Boeing_XCH-62_(VS).png [15:45:41] Fluburtur: a total of 18000 kW output between it's 3 turboshafts [15:45:54] yeah not bad [15:46:04] i never understand where you can put the 3rd engine on a heli [15:46:14] Althego: We are talking about a universe where they have worms the size of buildings that apparently don't have to eat that much [15:46:31] the biggest life forms are plancton eaters [15:46:36] even here on earth [15:46:41] they dont appear to eat much [15:47:02] the worms are relatively realistic [15:47:27] Fluburtur: what are your thoughts on the LTV XC-142 [15:47:39] I still don't understand what they would be eating in a desert... [15:47:57] looks fun [15:47:57] Howdy! [15:48:01] yo [15:48:37] Did y'all hear about the new "Venture class" rocket NASA is planning? [15:48:39] Fluburtur: which reminds me, I need to talk with the museum curator about how they are dumb and wrong and how my museum layout and display plan is better [15:49:07] they don't even present the XC-142 with it's wings tilted [15:49:12] it's in conventional mode [15:49:15] which is boring [15:49:20] ye tell them [15:49:25] what is venture class? [15:49:35] BadRocketsCo: wat [15:49:48] Althego: tiny babby rockets [15:50:13] Althego: firefly, electron, vector [15:51:45] Dumb home internet... [15:52:22] Anyway, I just realised that that's like 2015 news... [15:54:45] hehe [15:54:53] a lot of things happened since then [15:59:12] Althego: basicaly, Venture Class is NASAs new cubesat launcher. [16:01:28] BadMobileRockets: well, it's a class [16:01:32] there are a few of them [16:05:30] Ah, i was confused if that was in fact a class of rockets or if it is an name [16:07:26] Still, I think it's cool that NASA is trying to appeal more to the small cubesat market [16:15:57] rename cubesats to coolsats :) [16:17:05] Heheh. They are pretty sweet though, aren't they? [16:21:59] https://i.imgur.com/Rvkl1OS.jpg [16:23:14] lol [16:23:32] the guy looking at him, like, dudr this cant be serious [16:39:17] I'm trying to find how many sats that company has in oribit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Labs [16:43:24] best number I can come up with is 324 [16:48:14] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:46:24] hmm, some hail [18:04:23] hail some [18:06:24] hailing frequencies open [18:10:27] Captain, we appear to be receiving small pellets of water-ice. [18:10:39] [18:10:54] im getting good at flying my reusable rocket that has wings [18:10:59] can reliably land it on the runway [18:11:38] 'Main screen turn on' [18:12:54] lol this exists. i like it https://shirtoid.com/110233/we-are-star-stuff/ [18:16:25] what is happening to juno lately? [18:30:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Mostly_Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:34:44] Umm... where should I install the Making History DLC? Same folder as KSP? [18:35:47] it asks for a path, just give the ksp install dir [18:36:02] but basically it installs a mod that is in the usual place [18:36:15] ^ [18:36:29] Hmm. So the win-64 folder? [18:36:40] if its named like that [18:36:49] Or rather KSP_win64 [18:37:03] Yeah, it'll go to folder_you_specified/GameData/MakingHistory [18:37:05] that is the default it extracts to. i usually rename it to just ksp [18:37:13] Althego: https://naif.jpl.nasa.gov/naif/data_archived.html [18:37:26] Thanks [18:37:47] Blarg, cuts off in 2017. [18:40:06] Yeah, all the files on PDS are >9 months old. [18:40:22] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNM3tHBkekw this is so bad, it's acturally good. :D [18:43:32] was looking at BOINC this morning... I had completely forgotten that SETI@Home was still a thing [18:47:01] I also learned that there is now 'gridcoin' that is going to be used as 'proof-of-research' or something [18:47:54] Are they gonna pay people to crunch Satelitte data or something? [18:50:49] Ooh, KSP allows lower resolutions now. That's great for laptops [18:53:43] Judge_Dedd: if you put it too low: [18:54:23] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_16eZks21U [18:54:24] YouTube - 8-Bit Kerbal Space Program - NES Gameplay [18:54:58] hehe [18:55:50] the music [18:55:58] ve2dmn, hahaha [18:56:36] the rotation wouldnt happen like that [18:57:29] the kerbal is like a lemming lol [18:58:22] the parachute sound, the ending [18:58:24] this is good [18:58:40] reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B16eAS1dwA [18:58:41] YouTube - 8-bit Starcraft [19:01:30] that said, i never liked any game named *craft [19:01:38] I learned not too long ago that during the intro of Chrono Trigger, the pendulum doesn't move... the camera does [19:01:58] (because of the video modes of the console) [19:02:14] ilm did the same trick with star wars space battles [19:02:18] legit [19:03:03] But I can't look at that intro the same way again now... [19:03:25] hmm, new muskwatch [19:03:41] still cant get over the cyborg centaur elon [19:04:19] Elon has a new girlfriend now or something? [19:05:29] even if he has, he sleeps inside the tesla factory, so completely pointless [19:05:44] true [19:06:10] "Honey, I'm still at work. I'll see you later next month, okay?" [19:06:16] hehe [19:06:53] He and Jaff Bezoss are good at pushing employees to the breaking point [19:11:18] Are there anomalies on Minmus? [19:11:32] some monoliths, sure [19:11:33] I didn't find any with okto2. [19:11:37] ok [19:12:16] but nothing particularly interesting [19:12:55] Went on polar orbit for 1/2 Minmus day. [19:13:05] 12+ km [19:13:19] hehe i didnt notice laythe has a sagan sea and a degrasse sea :) [19:13:29] :) [19:13:55] Action: UmbralRaptop eyes Eve's Explodium Sea. [19:14:03] i knew that is there [19:14:06] never exploded though [19:16:47] hmm, i think i never visited the tylo thing [19:16:57] it was probably under the surface [19:17:15] pinpoint landing on tylo? now that sounds like a hard task [19:55:49] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336533573781684244/443501080140316684/DSC_8867.JPG [19:59:55] Althego: It is Degrasse or Degras-sea ? [20:00:26] hi all [20:00:38] Degauss sea: where iron is mined. [20:00:44] &hi? [20:00:57] my docking ports wont magnetise... 1k+ hours on ksp so no newbie mistakes... i have pictures of my near perfect approach [20:01:02] UmbralRaptop: it was a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrassi [20:01:11] can anyone hazard a guess as to the reason? [20:01:27] https://imgur.com/a/40vUACO [20:01:31] see photos [20:01:41] no magnetization... very frustrating [20:01:45] sometimes they used to stuck in the incorrect state [20:02:03] (what they have after decoupling, so that the parts can get farther) [20:02:14] but i havetn seen that for a long time now [20:02:24] hmm [20:02:26] It's an old bug, but it checks out [20:02:30] it's super annoying [20:02:33] yes [20:02:35] very [20:02:40] so you reckon i'm bugging? [20:02:57]