[00:01:04] Only shot in the dark stuff. eg: try an exact copy on Kerbin? Are there antenna/communication concerns? [00:02:20] I'm using remote tech, but can do other things, and it says there isn't a problem [00:03:10] It's hard to do an exact copy on kerbin, drills don't seem to have enough range to get through the runway, or something [00:18:35] I can use the same ship to mine on the runway [00:18:47] Dirt, not ore, that's 0%... [00:19:55] An ore drill on the runway at least gives me the option to start. [00:51:45] Trying with just RoverDude's mods (and required other mods) [01:03:23] Can I edit a .craft file to remove some radial parts easily? [01:04:33] With some difficulty. [01:05:03] Have to remove a part and all references to it in the parts that attach. [01:09:18] Comments on my Mun tourist craft? And yes I know I can't really afford the funds cost -- I'm going to do an orbit trip or two first. [01:09:29] The reward is almost 200k, so I'll make it back. https://imgur.com/a/2ivp6 [01:09:29] https://i.imgur.com/cTO5MuC.png [01:09:38] it's not intended to land. [01:09:48] (if it was, the upper stage would be far less 'tippy') [01:13:10] Seems like a lot more delta V than necessary [01:13:28] Probably. [01:13:58] I think it could make it without the stage-and-a-half boosters, but they're needed because the first stage is a bit weak on the pad. [01:14:12] 3400ish to make orbit, 1500ish to mun and back. Plus a bit extra [01:14:54] well, I think I accidentally built an interplanetary capable vehicle, then. [01:15:23] I'm not really used to 2.5m technology yet, for "serious" (career) designs, so I just went for best ISP with sane TWR. [01:18:16] what I gave is close to the minimun, so not much room for error [01:19:06] yeah, and I haven't yet added science gear. [01:19:07] 6 fins? [01:19:17] I was worried about stability on launch. [01:19:29] (and didn't have a fin over .1 tonne, which didn't see like much) [01:19:48] Should be fine with thrust vectoring. [01:20:43] I use gravity turn mod for launching, doesn't need a lot of control to get to orbit [01:22:13] The first stage really just needs to get to where the Poodle stage is able to take over. The Poodle has a .92 ignition TWR in vacuum, so that's the piece that makes me nervous. [01:25:02] How do you fly to orbit? [01:25:30] If you do a gravity turn, .92 should be more than enough [01:35:13] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v thebadshepperd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:36:45] Interesting. Dirt works with just RD's mods, but ore doesn't [01:43:17] If I deploy the drill, it cannot start, if I start it first it works, even if it's not deployed [02:05:57] I hope that's just the A drills [02:07:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:17:09] "If I were to open the window of the ISS and throw out an egg, how much delta-V can I give the egg; soley by the act of throwing?" [02:22:31] what kind of vessel do i need for a simple fly-by-mission (in 1.4) ? https://imgur.com/a/St8ZL [02:22:31] https://i.imgur.com/vo2cU8m.png [02:22:36] opening the window would give quite a boost of delta-v [02:23:12] Well, v, not delta-v [02:23:12] isn't delta v potential energy however? once the ball is thrown it has no dv because no way of accellerating [02:23:23] Right [02:24:25] Those drills don't have a problem if I have a manned flight [02:31:09] Really weird, they seem to work if there is a crew cab even if it's unoccupied [03:26:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:03:25] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/08/seagate-unveils-60tb-ssd-the-worlds-largest-hard-drive/ [05:21:29] fourty thousand dollery doos [05:40:46] @_@ https://youtu.be/R86mkvU4qHw (via @nyrath) [05:40:46] YouTube - Manned Interplanetary Missions 1962 NASA-General Dynamics, Krafft Ehricke [06:09:24] can I alt copy just one part without everything under it [07:44:28] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0FZIwabctw It's all fake. They spend billions of dollars to maintain the illusion and prevent us from proving that earth is flat. [07:44:56] (nothing is stopping them from launching their own rocket with a camera.) [07:46:05] I saw footage of the barge miss. Did they ever make a video on that or release it? [07:46:29] That was a very close miss. [08:16:01] Bllaank: i saw it in the montage video, but there was no uncut version anywhere else [08:16:21] Yeah, they know we love watching stuff blow up as much as we like successful launches. [08:16:30] I'm so happy the Falcon Heavy worked, though. [08:24:24] i dont understand the people who says that nasa is lying and there is no space, iss, etc, and it is a waste of money [08:24:41] have they checked how small part in the federal budget nasa is? [08:24:42] I think I'm done bouncing now [08:24:56] no, of course not [08:25:14] if i wanted to embezzel money i surely would choose the biggest target, which is the military [08:33:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget_zzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:34:45] When I'm done with this rebalancing pass, EL will require 0.774t of LFO for every ton of Metal produced [08:35:03] plus whatever is needed for heating [08:35:28] (about 2x, at a guess, but I haven't written that code yet) [13:09:47] Morning. [13:10:46] star [13:11:10] ouch [13:11:33] hi, Pakaran [13:14:13] I'm off work today, trying to figure out what to do. [13:15:06] well... here's something to do. comment on this: [13:15:07] [LOG 22:09:59.330] [ConverterRecipe] LFOFiredSmelter input 1 9627.678 [13:15:07] [LOG 22:09:59.330] MetalOre: 1596.882 [13:15:08] [LOG 22:09:59.330] Oxidizer: 475.469764 [13:15:08] [LOG 22:09:59.331] LiquidFuel: 389.020716 [13:15:08] [LOG 22:09:59.331] total: 2461.37248 [13:15:22] MetalOre, what mod is that? [13:15:32] Extraplanetary Launchpads [13:16:13] I'm not really familiar with part design. It looks reasonable. [13:16:31] How much metal is output? [13:16:34] that's mass ratios [13:16:43] ah, not units? [13:16:46] rate is undecided [13:16:56] yeah, EL does everything based on mass [13:17:08] aah. [13:17:11] (does the conversion to units internally) [13:17:30] That seems to make sense until you start using liquid hydrogen and it's a fifth the mass. [13:17:37] or does it just have LF? [13:18:00] EL doesn't care. It queries the resource database [13:18:20] so it works well with highly moded installs [13:18:25] (modded?) [13:19:44] nice. [13:19:49] I type "modded" [13:20:01] but that's because in my accent it's two Ds [13:20:21] its definitely two ds [13:20:32] ok, three then, lol [13:20:38] anyway, I'm reworking the balance of EL's smelters [13:20:43] pad->padded, wad->wadded, etc [13:21:00] currently they consume only ore and ElectricCharge and produce only Metal [13:21:21] and run at an insane rate (96kg/s) [13:21:22] ah. [13:21:44] But that's unrealistic, because you're using high-quality energy to produce heat? [13:21:53] with this, they will consume LFO to provide both the heat and the reducing agents (C, CO and H2) [13:22:35] outmode outmoded tho [13:22:59] ah, so you get reactions like FeO2 + 2 CO -> FE+ 2 CO2? [13:23:01] and produce a slew of products (Metal, Carbon, CarbonMonoxide, CarbonDioxide, Formaldehyde, Hydrogen, Water) [13:23:08] makes sense [13:23:10] Pakaran: yeah [13:23:43] EL has been chemically correct for the input/output ratio for ore and metal for a long time [13:24:01] just not the energy and other reactants [13:24:16] ah. [13:24:39] That also gives a way to extract oxygen from, say, Duna soil that's quite realistic? [13:24:46] Need 8620MJ/t according to my sources [13:25:09] what unit is "t" [13:25:16] that's a LOT of power [13:25:20] not this smelter, but with these changes, I'll be able to implement the Landis "smelter" [13:25:21] one thought, that I'm sure you've considered: it requires far more energy to smelt, say, Al than Fe. [13:25:27] Arcan: ton, and yes [13:25:41] Arcan: but LFO produces /at least/ 6MJ/kg [13:26:06] Pakaran: yeah. EL assumes ore is hematite and Metal is Fe [13:26:11] you honestly want a reactor of some kind...i suppose burning LFO would work, but meh [13:26:16] makes sense. [13:26:23] or a massive solar array [13:26:30] Arcan: you need to burn LFO for the C and H anyway :) [13:26:45] (no C and H, no smelting) [13:26:46] you "could" scoop the H from a gas giant. [13:26:54] fair enough [13:26:57] but that's silly, and probably nowhere close to efficient [13:27:05] or with even MORE absurd power requirements, electrolyze water [13:27:20] well, you can get very high temperature with a solar concentrator [13:27:38] which is basically just a bunch of gold foil (eg) panels in orbit somewhere [13:27:46] 864.5kg of LFO will get you 1.117t of metal [13:28:03] taniwha, that's not a criticism, btw, just brainstorming. [13:28:04] reminds me of the reflecting satellite cannon from SBY 2199 [13:28:12] Pakaran: yeah [13:29:25] Pakaran: one important part of the work I'm doing is the smelter (really, converter) will modify its recipes base on efficiency [13:30:04] efficiency for the smelter is governed by temperature (0 for less than a certain temperature, then increasing) [13:30:23] so 0 efficiency means you're just burning LFO, but heating the smelter [13:30:37] then as it gets up to temperature, it starts producing metal [13:31:06] so you want to process big batches, rather than as it's mined? [13:31:12] that makes a lot of sense. [13:31:27] well, it won't be /that/ accurate [13:31:44] also, smelting is done as a continuous process in RL [13:31:53] ah, didn't realize that. [13:32:07] so what does determine temperature? [13:32:15] coke+ore feed in from the top, air fed in from the bottom, liquid metal dribbling from the bottom [13:32:23] heat [13:32:45] burning the lfo produces heat, converting metal consumes heat [13:32:49] that makes sense. [13:33:28] this is kind of realistic, probably a lot of work [13:33:37]  [13:34:06] is there zero g version too? [13:34:17] the burning recipe produces 5.2MJ, the smelting recipe consumes 9.6MJ, so I expect the efficiency to level out at about 54% [13:34:22] So I'm debating what to do next in my "permanent" career game. I'm fairly close to having the funding reserve to set up a permanent station. Eventually I'm going to want that AND a satellite network at least for Kerbin. [13:34:40] (possibly also Mun, but I think it's reasonable to do all landing operations on the near side [13:34:59] Althego: I'll assume that there's sufficient surplus energy to power internal centrifuges or similar [13:35:08] (ie, just not worry about it for now) [13:35:46] Pakaran: do all the things. just drag tourists along to pay for it :) [13:35:52] hehe [13:36:02] yes, make the tourists pay for science [13:37:31] That's basically what I do already, I just got most of the Kerbin science before I started tourism. [13:37:48] Actually, I could probably fund crew rotation flights by sending one or two orbital tourists. [13:37:57] That was my big worry because I'm playing UKS. [13:38:03] even subortial tourists help [13:38:19] (they don't mind getting more than they payed for:) [13:38:23] Suborbital tourists now want to pass over specific points. [13:38:27] Indeed. [13:38:34] ah, Contract Configurator [13:38:47] And tourism+. [13:38:57] yeah, I love space camp [13:39:01] I don't think suborbital show up at all after orbital. [13:39:18] I almost have that unlocked! It'd be cool to go through the game without actually paying for crew at all. [13:40:04] I don't get enough rescue contracts (probably because I don't get /any/ new ones: maxed out on offers) [13:40:16] I don't get them and I'm not sure why. [13:40:19] and clearing them is gonna take a while [13:40:32] you have to tell CC you want them (they're off by default) [13:40:52] though I'm not sure I got any even then [13:41:04] (it has been a while since I used CC) [13:41:17] ah, I'll search. [13:41:28] somewhere in its game settings [13:43:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/422751216456695827/DSC_8531.JPG [13:44:01] good morning [13:45:22] hi [13:46:28] I had a dream... that I was writing a clone of Outpost 1 [13:46:34] hehe [13:46:34] And it was HORRIBLE [13:46:37] lol [13:46:52] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/422751626617683969/DSC_8523.JPG [13:46:53] fluburtur, have you started to organize the rescue party? [13:46:57] no [13:47:03] at least train some birds to bring back the engines [13:47:11] it will stay there as a beacon of badly estimated distances forever [13:47:27] you could just cut down that tree [13:47:31] actually fell like two more meters into the tree because it is really windy today but now it is stuck there very good [13:47:33] Fluburtur: what name do you give those bird (local name) [13:47:42] oie [13:47:49] also I can't just cut down the tree https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/422751173498372096/DSC_8530.JPG [13:48:04] wild geese? [13:48:12] ye [13:48:26] I also went like 1 meter away from a swan to take a picture [13:48:37] Fluburtur: not "Bernarche"/ "Outarde" ? [13:48:46] nah [13:49:06] interesting... [13:49:28] I guess it's an invasive species, so it kind of make sense to re-use another name [13:50:20] (For the record, they are differente taxonomie, but very close) [13:50:55] peoples are fine with gooses here [13:52:28] also my 3d printer rocket nozzle mold is working! [13:55:03] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/422754378512859136/DSC_8533.JPG [13:55:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/422754358422142978/DSC_8534.JPG [13:56:59] Fluburtur: for the record: compare https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anserini with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose [13:57:29] (TL;DR : Scientific classification is hard.... even more when language is involved) [13:57:40] heh [13:59:02] Also note that these bird come and go with the seasons here [13:59:34] When they come back, it's because spring is here to stay. And when they do, it's in large numbers [14:00:24] like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtqbUhsdenA [14:00:25] YouTube - le Retour des Outardes !!! [14:02:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/422756356899078144/DSC_8525.JPG [14:03:20] Basically what I'm saying is that these bird are culturally significant... [14:09:23] ve2dmn logic at use https://www.20minutes.fr/faits_divers/2235943-20180312-colmar-moteur-prend-feu-rend-station-service [14:10:12] wtf is 'Gazole'? [14:10:26] the term old peoples use for diesel I think [14:11:47] ok. Diesel pumps are seperate here [14:11:57] (also, good luck finding one) [14:12:14] peoples here want diesel because is cheaper [14:13:14] At 60 euro for enough gaz to go from Paris to Calais, I too would use Diesel :D [14:16:39] I think we might go full electric before we go diesel [14:19:16] For, similar, economic reasons, I'm guessing France will probably go Biodiesel if the thing take off soon enough [14:19:35] that was the hype like 5 years ago [14:19:39] idk where it is now [14:19:47] but electrics start to get more common [14:19:54] like the extremely ugly renault car [14:20:13] I mean what is this https://www.cdn.renault.com/content/dam/Renault/FR/webrender-fr/TWIZY/renault-twizy-life-noir.jpg.ximg.l_12_m.smart.jpg [14:20:34] The thing about biodiesel is that it depends a lot on the source of 'sugar' [14:20:50] peoples here wanted to us colza [14:20:54] That's a concept car that is never gonna see the road [14:21:00] so they cut down forest and used field normally used for food [14:21:17] so ecologist were even more pissed than if peoples used regular fuel [14:21:29] Colza? you mean Canola? [14:21:36] the car I sent is actually being made [14:21:40] I saw peoples drive it [14:21:45] Action: ve2dmn facepalm [14:21:55] colza is the yellow flower [14:22:11] rapeseed I think in english [14:22:16] weird name [14:22:24] grows on the rape field [14:22:33] yes really strange name [14:22:50] Lol. My filter pinged me [14:23:08] Which is why they made up names like Colza and Canola (same plant different products) [14:23:23] TheKosmonaut: it works. Congrats [14:23:25] humans are weird [14:23:33] they are made of meat [14:23:57] also they are kinda always in safe destruct mode but not quite [14:24:20] ve2dmn: I was thinking it had to be rapeseed but it was weird for like 2 seconds on my notifications list [14:25:27] Fluburtur: yeah, the promising thing I saw with biodiel was made with algee or some form of unused food waste (the part of the plant that is un-used) [14:25:45] algae stuff is promising [14:25:50] bioplastics and fuels [14:26:24] Althego: funny enough "rapeseed" doesn't ping the botfilter [14:26:40] Because I'm pretty sure we had this discussion when setting up Mod9000 [14:27:21] TheKosmonaut: the exceptions to the exceptions [14:27:50] ve2dmn: exception. That's exception + inception--- wait [14:28:47] Throw Exception (Exception) [14:28:53] lol [14:29:50] Inxception [14:31:15] Fluburtur: here they used corn to make Biodiesel... which is insane on so many level it's not even funny [14:33:05] I think PLA plastic is made from corn [14:33:15] It is [14:33:20] there is 3d printer filament made from alga too [14:33:28] but it makes sense to use those [14:33:34] it does [14:33:41] save several million years of sitting in the ground turning into oil [14:33:56] or coal [14:38:52] one promising idea I saw was making artifical 'trees' full of liquid with algea... but places in city around busy intersections [14:39:32] made to look like transparent electric poles or tubes attached to overpass vertically [14:40:06] it's not gonna produce nearly enough, but it has the added benefit of cleaning the air [14:41:43] For tourism+, are investors supposed to spawn in/near the SC? I'm finding them on the far side of the planet. I suspect this is due to hardcoded coordinates and KSS. [14:42:14] Pakaran: weird. They are supposed to spawn next to the Mission building [14:42:36] hehe [14:44:33] Fluburtur: https://images.fastcompany.net/image/upload/w_1280,f_auto,q_auto,fl_lossy/fc/3038134-poster-p-1-an-algae-farm-designed-to-suck-up-highway-pollution.jpg [14:44:39] ve2dmn, there seem to be hard-coded coords for a lot of things there. I'm not sure how I'm going to unlock hotel/casino. [14:44:58] Pakaran: what is KSS? [14:45:07] Kerbal Star Systems. [14:45:20] Submit a bug to tourism+ [14:45:25] Among other things, it slightly enlarges Kerbin to be exactly 0.1 Earth, which I think may be part of the problem. [14:45:27] https://github.com/herbiems89/ContractPack-Tourism/blob/master/GameData/ContractPacks/Tourism/InvestorTour.cfg [14:45:50] nice [14:46:02] can it be glow in the dark alga so it looks nice? [14:46:19] I'm sure jrossignol... I mean nightingale has been active the last few days [14:46:27] Is it reasonable to submit a bug when I'm playing such a modded solar system? [14:46:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:46:47] Fluburtur: like https://i.pinimg.com/originals/01/76/9b/01769b9c163a453b563ec0227d22b91e.jpg ? [14:46:58] yes [14:47:00] nice [14:47:14] (which is a french art installation) [14:48:04] Fluburtur: https://vimeo.com/110230238 [14:49:17] it was an interesting prototype... and then I didn't heard anything about it again :/ [14:50:07] Garr, I missed a launch by 10 minutes! [14:50:38] there's probably an app for that [14:51:01] I was probably getting off my bus at liftoff time [14:51:27] Would've missed it even if I knew it [14:52:30] I use https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=fd1enk1tmf2e28mu9qt9khggs4%40group.calendar.google.com [14:52:51] Not even getting off my bus, it was a few stops before that [14:53:20] Wait, so there is nothing? [14:53:36] Not sure where I found this calendar, but it's based on http://launchlibrary.net/ [14:56:23] Pakaran: why not? [14:56:45] Just wondering if it's a Tourism+ "issue". [14:57:11] I guess points at the SC should be at the right relative position in any case. [14:57:43] It's more work for the modder, but it cost nothing to ask [14:58:01] It would also help if you provded him with the current coordinates of KSC [14:58:25] I'm not sure how to get that. [14:58:32] KER? [14:58:37] Mechjeb? [14:58:49] so just get coords from the pad or something? [14:59:06] As much info as you can provide the modder [14:59:20] even better : a patch for the code with explanation :D [14:59:27] Thanks. I was tempted to just edit it done. [14:59:50] It may be that using hardcoded coords at all is the problem, especially with some mods being able to rescale the whole system by any multiple. [14:59:51] You *could* do that too. [15:00:56] But then, if KSC is at the same geo-coordinates, even scaled it should not be a big issue [15:01:09] But then other people will run into it. I'm checking as soon as KSP opens. [15:01:52] I know Kerbin has the same general appearance. Whether the whole thing has a new prime meridian is a good question. [15:02:30] normal coordinate (stock) 0°6293/S 74°342313/W [15:06:26] whatever I do, I'll have to figure out some way to get rid of the (accepted) contract, without failing it (in which case it becomes unavailable). [15:06:45] Cheat menu [15:07:43] unless you want to pick them up at the other side of the planet [15:09:12] should have thought of that. [15:09:33] the problem is I don't really planes, and it means landing on a pretty fixed point, so yeah. [15:09:54] it's using pqscity and pqsoffset, not raw coords [15:15:07] The locations the investors want to go to appear reasonable. https://imgur.com/a/hv7K8 [15:15:07] https://i.imgur.com/fjo1tWf.png [15:16:42] they also aren't tourists, for some reason. One is showing scientist, the other medic (which isn't even a stock type). [15:18:52] I think they are random [15:20:13] ah [15:21:34] Tourist cannot EVA [15:27:56] ah, so they can't board a vehicle from the ground, makes sense. [15:29:03] I don't see a way to recover unowned objects (which they are) with hyperedit, or the debug toolbar. There's no obvious 'teleport kerbal'. [15:57:10] Hello [15:57:27] Could anyone give me a link to download ksp 1.3.1? [15:58:36] no [15:59:05] Thats bad [15:59:13] http://store.steampowered.com/app/220200/Kerbal_Space_Program/ ? [15:59:21] Best I can offer is http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/ within your account there. [15:59:26] or steam [15:59:37] I need unofficial one [15:59:44] That would be illegal. [15:59:46] And wich is virus free [15:59:53] We do not support illegal activities here [16:00:24] Ok [16:00:31] Also, the gall to come into an official channel and ask for a pirated copy [16:00:52] are 1.3.1 mods supported on 1.4? [16:01:06] Not all of them, no [16:01:15] many are waiting on 1.4.1 before they update too [16:01:21] if you have it on steam, you can choose a specific old version, such as 1.3. [16:01:36] If you want it on Steam without paying for it, I suspect Valve would be interested to hear from you. [16:02:07] Take Too would be interested as well [16:03:31] SpacePlaneArchitect: if you are using steam, the Beta tab can download an older version [16:04:22] Meanwhile at Wube... [16:12:05] I cooked another candy rocket [16:12:17] this one should work perfectly, should only be able to fail in two ways [16:31:25] Fluburtur: If I was management I would says "It should never fail"... but as an Engineer, my reaction to "fail in 2 ways" is "that you know of" :) [16:32:57] yeah [16:33:29] but well, igniter not ejecting and nozzle flying off are two reasonable ways it should fail [16:37:30] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/422795237224742921/DSC_8536.JPG [16:37:34] 6mm throat [16:37:42] 23mm inner diameter [16:52:41] Can anyone help ive been experiencing a crash recently [17:01:37] Hello [17:01:51] Can you help ive been experiencing a crash recently [17:02:15] Hello [17:02:20] hey [17:02:24] that's a bot... [17:02:28] i know [17:02:31] that now [17:02:43] oh :-( [17:02:47] I was just going to help! [17:11:34] snow: Don't feel bad. This looks like 90% of the time people want help [17:27:49] APlayer: the joy of chat [17:28:26] Internet Retreatment Chat [17:28:54] Retreat is the proper noun, apparently [17:29:01] Well, Internet Retreat Chat, then [18:14:39] I hope I didn't screw up my save too much fixing the investor tour issue. [18:19:42] https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/83tgeg/ksp_problem_solving_flowchart/ [18:19:51] lol [18:19:56] Pakaran: you didn't use the save menu? [18:20:36] I did but they were already out of place in my more recent saves. [18:21:17] Also, I edited the file after the contract was originally generated. Now it isn't even on the "all" list under tourism (possibly because it's already accepted?) [18:25:00] Oh, I know what I did. I deleted archived contracts, so I'd no longer brought 10 tourists home safely. [18:27:46] :/ [18:27:50] make backups :D [18:28:03] I tested my latest candy rocket engine [18:28:06] btw, I automated my tourism contracts with kOS [18:28:09] failed in both ways I predicted [18:28:47] lol [18:28:50] science! [18:29:00] yeah, will moving forwards. [18:29:13] I edited myself some funds to get the game to basically the state I had before. [18:29:27] I kinda turned a solid rocket into a pulsojet [18:29:34] lol [18:29:36] MORE science! [18:29:36] If I ever actually want to build a hotel or casino, I'll figure it out. [18:32:14] https://youtu.be/oA6BaGsgv64 [18:32:14] YouTube - entropy 3 close up [18:32:44] It looks like I would only need a one line change. [18:32:59] https://youtu.be/qWKQ3SMkUU8 [18:33:00] YouTube - entropy 3 wide [18:33:02] I have to admit, even when I took a month off gaming, I had paper notes of KSP [18:35:59] my fuel looks like it was still wet for some reason [18:38:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:39:06] this is the frame just before the nozzle flew off https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/422825831283556362/DSC_8542.MOV.Image_fixe001.png [18:39:13] looks like it was running fairly nice then [18:41:00] Alright, fist time connecting this 20 Amp battery to a system. Pray for me that I don't set anything on fire [18:41:29] so the nozzle flew off at an average speed of 13 meters per second [18:41:59] or 48kph [18:41:59] I see I am not the only one who sets things on fire, @Fluburtur :P [18:42:17] it hit the branch of the tree about 2m higher so I can calculate using the sound [18:42:19] heh [18:42:22] I do on purpose [18:42:30] APlayer: you remind me: someone made a All-in-one phone cable, charger, sd card reader and 9V battery adapter for cell phones... in a tiny cube [18:42:48] Of course, it's an indiegogo campaign from China [18:43:07] Great step in the direction of not setting things on fire: I can't find the cable [18:43:20] But I found the idea of charging my cellhpone with a 9v battery funny [18:43:40] Oh, there it is [18:43:44] Alright [18:43:49] Action: APlayer hopes for the best [18:43:59] Boom! [18:44:01] Science! [18:46:04] Hey, it's beeping! And I see no smoke! [18:46:30] found it: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wondercube-pro-mobile-essentials-in-1-cubic-inch-iphone-phone/x/3499875#/ [18:46:57] Boom! In the positive sense, that is [18:47:35] Fluburtur: want a flying phone case to take pictures? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/selfly-camera-photography/x/3499875#/ [18:48:19] Action: APlayer just completed a major milestone in the "APlayer is (almost) going to space" project [18:49:16] this is the frame the nozzle flew off https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/422827861553053716/DSC_8542.MOV.Image_fixe002.png [18:49:34] :D [18:50:13] Fluburtur: you know what this means? need more space-tape [18:50:23] yeah [18:50:25] ve2dmn: This is irony, because this is pretty much exactly what I am working on right now [18:50:33] The link you sent, that is [18:50:40] Which one? [18:50:49] The last one [18:51:15] A phone case that is also a quad-copter? [18:55:52] Well, it's not a phone case [18:56:01] it's not a tumor [18:56:08] True [18:56:40] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo [18:56:40] YouTube - It's not a Toomah! [19:12:48] Ah, good Chinese to English translations... "Please carefully read the Instruction Manual before use it." [19:13:27] there is an obvious useage of such a manual. in case it is made of paper :9 [19:14:05] "Never the battery positive and negative poles." [19:15:30] This sentence no verb. [19:15:33] "In the event of a crash, [...] Observing it for at least 20 minutes, after that you can deal with it if you sure it is safe." [19:15:48] [19:16:10] there is a legendary (only in hungary) dvd player manual, because the translation is hilarious (yamada dvd player) [19:16:28] "you should not touch it directly in case of skin burning." [19:16:34] hehe [19:16:45] http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=23432 [19:16:56] This makes no sense even if I correct all mistakes using all of my common sense [19:17:02] unfortunately i cant show you its glory since how would you translate grammatically incorrectly translated sentences? [19:17:26] So, I guess they mean the battery burning on the outside, but who would touch it in such a situation? [19:18:11] Next one is a heading before a paragraph: "Li-Po Battery Using Common Sense:" [19:18:26] I don't want my battery to have common sense, this is getting scary [19:18:46] lol [19:19:31] i get all my tech tips from the hydraulic press channel. [19:19:48] "The battery discharge automatically during store, so you should charge the battery periodically every three months." [19:20:01] Extra features ^ [19:20:56] "[...] avoid crash, wear stab, [...]" [19:21:20] "Do not change the battery wire leads personally." [19:21:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:22:10] Evening, Gentlemen. [19:22:18] "If eat battery raw material by mistake please go see a doctor promptly." [19:23:26] If you accidentally die, please visit a doctor as soon as possible. [19:24:05] Oh, there is a German version on the reverse [19:24:20] Unfortunately, I cannot share the joys of reading this with you guys [19:25:06] Hey, the eating by mistake point was excluded here [19:25:22] I wonder if that is a good sign or a bad one [19:25:43] I like to think that every line like that in manuals was inspired by a stupid person and/or a lawsuit. [19:25:51] Is that like the "Do not look into laser with remaining eye" thing? [19:26:10] Supernovy: Much better [19:26:36] The text is introduced with "Please carefully read the Instruction Manual before use it." [19:26:54] And it is a pure joy to read it [19:31:08] APlayer: reminds me of the indiegogo campaign where every image was introduced with 'Please see the image blow' [19:31:23] Haha [19:34:27] https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-intel-z8700-win-10-os-game-console-laptop/x/3499875#/updates/all [19:34:39] (check the update from Jul 15, 2016 ) [19:35:20] (and the update from Jul 1, 2016 ) [19:35:55] (and the update from may24, 2016 ).... you get the idea [19:38:11] ve2dmn, anyhow, I think I figured out the issue, thanks. Completing the contract via cheat menu didn't actually choose either hotel or casino (which is coded in the contract cfg itself), and I just didn't happen to roll to be offered another copy of it. [19:38:34] good to hear [19:38:45] Which I think I remember before -- many, but not all, tourism+ contracts are always available as one copy. If that's one that isn't, it would make sense. [19:39:28] And in any case, when/if I decide to build a hotel or casino (presumably hotel), I just need to add a line to the savegame and the contract should be available when I load. [19:40:26] My hotel was a big headache because of all the Life Support I had to add [19:40:32] The investors *are* meant to spawn as unowned, and it'll be interesting to see where they spawn next time. [19:40:50] Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to make tanker flights profitable. [19:41:07] ("bring a tourist" is an option, and I'll be able to do that more quickly than mining the Mun) [19:41:28] also, Mun has a fairly significant delta-V difference from easily accessible orbits. [19:43:27] ve2dmn, did you bring life support consumables from Kerbin, or mine them somewhere? [19:43:44] all from KSC [19:44:20] was not profitable at first, but then the game wanted me to bring 50 tourist to the hotel... [19:44:35] How did you do that, mk3 plane? [19:44:54] Mk3 plane parts yes [19:45:04] I am planning for ridealongs. [19:45:58] (like, tourist flight that also deploys a comsat). [19:46:42] Right now, the tourist flights are just to upgrade KSC. I have tracking station 2. [19:47:09] (also, AC, mission control, VAB and launchpad 2, if memory serves). [19:49:42] (Tourist flights also give me practice flying launches). [19:59:58] And im goiing to start A career game and hack it on money and science [20:00:08] Cheat [20:00:15] So i can get missions [20:00:21] then just play sandbox [20:00:38] btw where is the expansion [20:00:45] Theres no contracts on Sandbox, so its practically boooring [20:00:47] or wait, it is due tiomorrow [20:00:55] that is why it is not [20:01:05] because you can do so much more there [20:08:39] Mk3 plane parts are a critical component of my schoolbus missions. [20:13:21] Mathuin: all abord the magic space bus [20:13:43] Indeed! Any time a contract says to put more than two folks on a station, it's Mk3 time. [20:14:05] Slap a Mk3->BigNRound adapter on the top and bottom for ease in design. [20:22:55] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/422851971305832461/DSC_8543.JPG [20:31:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1T18Rei74I [20:31:04] YouTube - WORLD'S FIRST 1:1 FULL SCALE RC MODEL AIRPLANE COLOMBAN CRI-CRI MC-15 [20:31:43] lol [20:31:49] what is the point? [20:31:54] idk [20:33:08] make it twice as big! :) [20:34:30] Make it more dangeours; there is no pilot anyway! [20:34:59] It's the first step towards Ender's Game. [20:35:01] we cannot stop. it is too dangerous [20:35:34] Mathuin: it's already happening on cargo flights [20:35:59] Elon's just started with trucks. [20:37:06] you know that a significant portion of air traffic accidents are humans, right? also they dont do anything important for actually flying the airplane anyway. [20:37:16] obviosu solution, remove the humans [20:37:16] "optionally piloted aircraft" [20:38:38] Just as self-driving cars will let us cut the wasted space between vehicles and time at lights, I imagine autonomous planes will inspire new approaches to airways and safe space padding both horizontally and vertically. [20:47:53] That's the theory. [20:48:02] But the difference between theory and practice is greater in practice than in theory [20:49:07] face it, hazard avoidance is already automatic on airplanes with tcas [20:50:10] there was one case where traffic controller made two planes collide by the other one following tcas. so since then it is standard to let it handle such things [20:52:14] I'm sure it will make things better... but a lot of promises have been made over the years and I'll stay skeptical [20:52:22] a really tragic and sad story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_%C3%9Cberlingen_mid-air_collision [20:54:11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitching_Betty [20:55:18] heh, how i hate the audio system of the ch53ga [20:57:18] the funniest thing in these systems when the airplane says retard retard just befor landing :) [21:26:31] ve2dmn: Uh, language... [21:28:47] the atc didn't make the planes collide, the crew on one should have just followed the tcas prompt instead of listening ... [22:18:57] Definitely overbuilt my Mun craft. https://imgur.com/a/RPbZg [22:18:58] https://i.imgur.com/GCDawFV.png [22:20:34] Sorry [22:21:52] not enough boosters [22:27:15] Oh, the craft also did an accidental bi-elliptic transfer to retrograde orbit sometime during the couple hours it was outside Kerbin's SOI. [22:27:27] (or, essentially -- I actually burned a fraction of a second too long to turn it around) [22:28:35] it's still about 40k of craft for 200 in profit [22:28:51] well, 200 in revenue, 160 in profit, but even so [23:03:24] bwoop [23:03:38] so i need a name for my relay launcher [23:03:57] do we haz a countdown clock? [23:04:02] it launches multiple medium range relay sats [23:04:27] for what? [23:04:29] transitbiker: like a mother with babies on her back? [23:04:35] transitbiker: DLC [23:04:48] no like an epic huge rocket with more power than it really needs [23:04:54] oh, no interest [23:05:13] ... I showed up at Eeloo recently with like 5km/sec left in the tanks... [23:05:28] so a large rocket with multiple payloads? [23:06:01] six relay sats, each one can go to a different place [23:06:20] comstar? [23:06:20] AlonzoTG: impossible. Nobody has ever gone to Eeloo and lived to tell the tale [23:06:41] i have a base and relay station on and orbiting eloo respectively [23:06:57] I was spamming my system with scansat biome scans in preparation for manned missions. [23:07:08] comstar 6 [23:07:19] the orbit I used was slow as hell, took like 18 years to get out there. [23:07:21] transitbiker: starstruck space truck? [23:07:33] because in theory, you can crate a constellation of them like GPS [23:07:47] transitbiker: starstruck space truck vi? [23:07:51] hmm [23:07:58] space oddity 6 [23:08:23] or maybe use Japanese numeral: Space oddity Roku [23:08:29] no, space oddity has to be manned [23:08:36] hmm [23:08:43] ok [23:09:10] comstar roku [23:09:20] let me grab a screenshot [23:09:23] Or Comstar Loku [23:10:14] because there is no Japanese Ra or La, only ‰ [23:10:56] gott grab a new fill valve for the hallway toilet, the currnt one is jammed and the fill valve does not float up all the way [23:11:11] hummmmm [23:12:15] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv8UvPQFFbw [23:12:15] YouTube - A Christmas Story (Fa Ra Ra Ra Rah) [23:12:58] bleh, I lost access to my career save because one of my mods broke during the 1.4.0 upgrade. =( [23:13:22] I was also trying to develop a 3.75M class spaceplane, [23:13:30] i would try to revert [23:13:48] also: backups are your frienz [23:13:50] yeah, didn't backup my old mods, I have like 72 installed. %P [23:14:01] no mods no problems ;) [23:14:02] https://youtu.be/5CznyU71HQY [23:14:02] YouTube - Homemade RC seaplane maiden on water and crash [23:16:53] do you have any kind of motor rpm sync system? [23:18:17] nah [23:18:24] they are calibrated tot he stick inputs [23:19:19] do they sell such a circuit board? i imagine it would be no more complex than a pair of sensors and a feedback governor [23:19:35] newest big rocket https://imgur.com/a/dlCre [23:20:36] it's soyuz style, with big outer boosters [23:21:10] there's another layout with no central engine, only a core made up of tanks [23:21:34] it really does increase total fuel carnying capacity [23:21:51] uff...... [23:21:53] because your bottom tank can be almost resting on the launch pad [23:24:42] i wonder if i have enough to get kerbin escape [23:24:47] yeesh.. wonder how bad the wobble is on that [23:25:01] if it does, i am replacing the dishes with the big ones [23:25:04] no wobble [23:26:01] transitbiker how now wobble..? so many docking ports..? [23:26:14] autostrut my friend [23:26:17] now... ugh no.. stupid touch typing memory getting mushed up [23:26:28] ah ok... [23:26:28] I barely touch it myself [23:26:36] it's very handy [23:26:44] keeps this other one basically flyable [23:27:11] https://kerbalx.com/transitbiker/space-station-12-b [23:28:10] it's an orbital tug depot, 12 tugs [23:28:46] there's another version with all monoprop and no tugs to refill the depot [23:28:59] and yet another version with a dockable big fuel tank [23:30:09] ugh... space paper weight.. :P [23:30:40] the one with the big rocket fuel tank gets a tug on either end [23:31:08] my ship is dead, no electric [23:31:17] I seem to do stations more as a nexus for crew transfers than for fuel depots... got a station waiting to go up, an upgrade from another, smaller one. Which also has a little bit of cabin space just in case. [23:31:28] so i am going to go ahead and make 3 versions, one with each type of relay dish [23:32:15] well, the monoprop only one gets de-orbited when emptied, and the big rocket tank gets shuttled around till it makes its way to a low orbit, then it too is chucked back into atmo [23:33:18] the depot structure itself also offers electric charging [23:33:27] transitbiker look at dis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA6BaGsgv64 [23:33:27] YouTube - entropy 3 close up [23:33:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWKQ3SMkUU8 [23:33:56] YouTube - entropy 3 wide [23:34:42] I did send some fuel tanks over to Mun orbit for something... more as a just in case. spaceship I have going over wasn't design for major plane changes originally... extra fuel to help with rescue mission [23:35:36] I have two pretty cheap designs I use for all near kerbin rescues... [23:35:59] they are kinda ugly but work amazingly well, using mods that haven't seen the light of day in years... I might have the only remaining copies. =P [23:36:44] i only have the fuel tanks sent up if a stage hasa boomsploding issue [23:38:18] nice light level [23:38:44] i have only ever sent up 3, one test, one was accidentally empty, and one actual one [23:38:59] the 3rd one is on orbit, but i forgot which craft needs it [23:39:17] I've mostly sent up light to medium crafts... I get- I seem to have trouble with anything really large. Then again, I kind of challenge myself in other ways [23:39:47] I use so many mods that I'm like "300 tons? meh..." [23:41:13] the heaviest craft i have on kerbalx is the tug depot, i think [23:41:32] my kerbalx craft are so old that most of them are krakened. =\ [23:42:25] AlonzoTG: you need to apply more Krakensbane [23:42:55] https://kerbalx.com/AlonzoTG/craft [23:42:55] (available now! Only 99.99! ) [23:43:23] (while supplies last, see in VAB for details. ) [23:43:40] look at the mass on Omega Tug 2 [23:43:56] There's a few mods I would like to try... mostly just to add a bit more functionality to surface missions [23:44:04] oh? [23:44:15] I have like 70 installed so I can probably help. [23:44:50] one being the apollo surface science pack... [23:46:19] es shneit [23:46:23] its snowing [23:46:44] lol.. nice [23:47:13] german is fun [23:48:08] someone in here told me that english isnt german [23:48:16] after i said it was a germanic language [23:48:40] germanic, nordic, celtic, romantic, slavic [23:48:49] Deutsch... is an interesting language [23:49:03] se deutsch [23:49:17] sprekken the german [23:49:27] transitbiker: English is a weird mix [23:49:55] english has so many slangs.. sayings.. [23:50:12] it's germanic, but it has large inflences from nordicm celtic, and romantic languages, mainly because of the odd path it took away from latin [23:50:16] also.. american english.. uk english... east coast Canadian english... umm.. [23:50:24] There is a 'version' of English withou latin words... [23:50:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIo-17SIkws [23:50:44] YouTube - Anglish - What if English Were 100% Germanic? [23:50:47] i was aboat to go to tims to get a double double eh [23:51:09] brb dinner [23:51:17] speaking of Germany... now that reminded me, I've been hoping to find someone who can help me possibly order something from a company out there... not right away mind you. [23:52:18] oh ya.. ugh. Lets not forget 'Engrish'.. [23:54:22] its really anglish [23:55:17] anglish... angry english? [23:55:34] anglican-ish [23:56:10] Anlgish examples are in the video I linked [23:56:21] there's an anglish wiki. [23:56:26] henry the 8th made people on britania angican-ers [23:58:08] woah [23:58:18] just looking at video now