[00:17:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:27:15] Small price to pay by unhooking the front panel - Power LED light no longer works, but everything else works great. BRING ON DA CARD LOL [00:33:10] https://i.gyazo.com/8a6ccdb4bf2c80f65f2616fa7c59e037.jpg - I found an image of my mobo online, and I drew an orange square in the lower left of what I had to remove. The power thing is to the bottom right of the square. [00:40:55] Eh don't care about the LED, my bed is in here too, less blue light the better. [02:49:32] o.o [04:31:51] https://keiwan.itch.io/evolution - This is pretty fun. [04:40:05] heh... pack of spiders [04:47:46] huh.. curious... [04:47:59] droid [04:48:01] critter I made walks rather good.. 15 generations.. sorta lops a bit [05:08:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:00:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:49:48] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|ktns' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:56:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:58:14] https://i.imgur.com/m0LdFDx.jpg [11:01:19] :) [11:31:55] lol [11:32:01] thats pretty cool [12:13:56] The Spark was enough for my Duna lande, but the Terrier, while heavier, used less fuel, not because it has mor Isp, but because there are less gravity losses, I think. [13:10:20] -.- [15:06:00] hah [15:06:10] Red5? the one and only? [15:06:18] Hello [15:06:18] (also look at the topic) [15:06:25] silly bot [15:07:17] red5! [15:07:34] I approve of this topic. :) [15:07:56] UmbralRaptor! [15:20:14] o.O [15:20:18] long time no see [15:20:28] and mortal [15:20:36] Mortal? [15:20:42] Action: xShadowx looks for pointy things [15:21:00] no @ :P [15:21:14] Oh, heh. [15:26:40] Machicolation [15:26:59] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deG4NxkouGM srs ish rite durr [15:27:41] not exactly fryin anything in this weather [15:28:41] also noise level warning [16:05:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:22:40] yeah [16:23:00] i remember watching sandy on statue of liberty camera till our power wnet out [16:23:28] hello transit [16:23:40] then before that i watched katrina from a new orleans live cam till the power there went out [16:23:46] heyy i have a link for you [16:24:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh7pAQ9i-C8 [16:24:59] YouTube - ANIME AIRPLANE In Real Life - Porco Rosso [16:25:10] gotta go, though [16:25:14] heh [16:25:22] that channel has some good stuff you might want to see [16:25:34] later, all! [16:25:39] I watch them since a few years [16:25:47] oh cool [16:25:52] and on their forums [16:25:53] well, i'm off.. gotta sleep [16:26:08] we can chat more bout rc planes tomorrow, deal? [16:26:14] yeha [16:32:09] Action: transitbiker falls on face asleep [16:40:30] https://www.astro.rug.nl/~oberg/bfs.jpg [17:00:10] red is that really you [17:00:17] Yes [17:00:47] wooooo [17:01:45] the prophecy said you would be back one day [17:01:53] Althego he back [17:02:19] I can't seem to change the topic to fix the inaccuracy about GIF. [17:02:51] I didn't know the prophecy was about me getting new screens tho [17:02:53] the topic is there because of you [17:02:56] and your quitmsg [17:03:18] So I gathered. That is my favorite bit of trolling. [17:04:41] ah kuonotori was delayed again [17:04:51] cant beat it's business time though [17:05:00] that is on constant delay since spring [17:05:14] Still making KSP memes tho: https://i.imgur.com/SurXqGk.jpg [17:10:25] my new screens are too big [17:10:28] how to fill them [17:10:33] New monitors? [17:10:38] yeah [17:10:42] I replaced my old crappy ones [17:10:43] What did you get? [17:10:50] some benq ones [17:10:59] gw2470 [17:11:41] Nice. I use a similarly specced Samsung at home. [17:11:56] Only one though. [17:12:40] You on Windows? [17:13:26] yeah [17:13:58] old https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/489846087457177620/DSC_7421.JPG [17:14:00] I use a utility to help with window management, WinSplit Revolution. Really handy for larger monitors. [17:14:05] new https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/489846026841227264/DSC_9663.JPG [17:14:25] That is not how I pictured you. :) [17:14:42] lmao [17:15:31] What are the rifle casings for? [17:15:55] Also: Extreme lower left of new picture...is that what I think it is? [17:16:13] might be [17:16:25] lol [17:16:39] i was wondering about that too [17:16:47] my friend ding ding [17:17:50] Custom joystick [17:22:13] yeah [17:22:26] good idea [17:30:07] Fluburtur: who did you get to drive there? [17:30:12] and did you let her play KSP? :D [17:30:23] my grandma [17:48:37] hehe, scott. almost dropped my asteroid on the earth, wheich we know would be really dangerous [18:37:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:54:48] Red5?? [18:55:03] PING! [18:56:37] ! [18:56:47] HEY HEY [18:57:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:58:35] How have you been, man? Since you approve of the topic, I can only assume you're an imposter, though [18:59:01] he is at least with an ip from the expected region [18:59:16] I approve of the topic in the sense that it's a response to my trolling. [18:59:34] there should be contracts for space stations in polar or high orbits [18:59:59] otherwise I launch all of them into 71x80 equatorial [19:00:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Red5' by Judge_Dedd!~MrNiceGuy@h87-96-164-204.cust.se.alltele.net [19:00:19] Hey, it's Dman [19:00:23] password not working. [19:00:24] WHoa now, you haven't even authenticated me. What if I'm an imposter? [19:00:37] Like that guy pretending to be dman. [19:00:42] Then the channel can burn [19:00:56] remember the twitter authentication? :) [19:01:15] Lol, I felt so bad for doing that to Scott. [19:01:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:01:50] Vanamonde says hi, Red [19:01:55] Who would want to pretend to be Red5? [19:01:58] no one. [19:02:07] Bouncy chevron to that [19:02:24] Hmm.. Actually, my current plan would be easier if I have a space station in an low kerbin orbit but with the same inclination and ascending node as Minmus [19:02:28] Send him my regards, please. [19:02:51] chevron 7 locked [19:03:07] Stargate reference. :) [19:03:12] Red5, https://i.imgur.com/nXQ9LBD.gifv [19:03:19] The movie was better than the show. Change my mind. [19:03:36] in a way it was :) [19:03:37] They're both saying the same thing... [19:03:43] no show no movies. [19:04:16] Red5, Vanamonde sends a Slack :smile: emotican [19:04:27] Ugh, slack. [19:05:19] Gotta run for a few minutes, be right back. [19:05:24] Booooooooooooo [19:05:30] :thumbsdown: [19:06:36] :thumbsdown::skin-tone-83: [19:06:58] if I am in an elliptical orbit with the same SMA as the Mun, and my Pe is at 100 km above Kerbin, what would my Ap be and how far below Minmus orbit would it be [19:09:32] hmm, mun SMA is 12 Mm and kerbin radius is 0.6 so the Pe is 0.7. [19:10:07] thus Ap is 12 - 0.7 = 11.3 Mm above kerbin centre [19:10:59] wait, no. Ap is 24 - 0.7 = 23.3 Mm [19:11:28] but the orbit of minmus is 47 which is essentially twice that [19:12:32] Intelligence test: https://i.imgur.com/coeAoGL.mp4 [19:16:38] however, the cube root of 9 is basically 3 [19:16:42] er, 2 [19:16:46] whatver [19:17:57] point is, with an SMA of 24.96 we have a period of 3 times the mun [19:18:28] and an Ap above minmus which is what I want [19:19:08] Minmus cycler station bois [19:20:06] Aye, Red5! It's been... One year? Two? [19:20:27] Something like that, yeah. [19:20:29] I guess you don't even remember me, but I do remember you. :-) [19:20:44] I recognize you. :) [19:20:55] Congrats (?) on being opped. [19:21:02] You taught me gravity turns back then! :-) [19:21:21] Go up fast, go sideways very fast? [19:21:22] Heh, thanks [19:21:32] Yes, pretty much [19:23:07] is 50 Mm still inside kerbin SOI [19:23:07] Red! [19:23:16] So, what have you been up to? [19:23:26] Any KSP recently? [19:23:49] Not really, haven't played any games in quite some time. Busy busy. [19:24:07] ;wa kerbin soi [19:24:08] oren: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish [19:24:12] agh [19:24:26] Need kmath. [19:24:40] Bleh, being busy sucks [19:25:04] kerbin soi is 85 according to redit [19:26:00] 85 Mm? [19:26:06] milimeters [19:27:08] If you zoom out enough, yes [19:27:10] it would be better if I could find an orbit with a period that is a simple fraction of both minmus and mun [19:27:30] of their orbits? [19:27:43] with a Ap above minmus and Pe near kerbin's atmosphere [19:27:50] ah [19:28:08] You are looking to park something and not have an accidental gravity assist? [19:28:13] yeah [19:28:16] so, you want an orbital period that is resonant with them. [19:28:24] A simple fraction might not do what you want. [19:30:01] I take it you know how to calculate orbital period from SMA already? [19:30:25] yeah it's proportional to the sqrt(A^3) [19:31:12] So now you just need the GCF for Mun & Minmus' orbits. [19:31:16] off the back of the envelope, an orbital period of 172217375275.4 seconds would do it. [19:32:58] Red5: Do you say "jraphics interchange format", or what? :P [19:33:44] No. When you say "NASA" do you say Nah Say? [19:33:53] Do you say jift? [19:34:16] See this is why it's my quit message, I don't have to argue it. [19:34:28] LOL [19:34:49] with period in days and SMA in megametres, the proportionality constant is 6.46153669145 [19:35:52] Hmmmmm! https://www.strawpoll.me/11285971/r [19:36:00] er, or is that the inverse [19:36:32] yeah the proportionality constant is 0.15476194715 [19:37:02] Lol in the comments on that poll: "I made an account just to talk about Joint Photographic Expert Group files, or Jay-Fegs. People need to stop saying jpeg." [19:37:29] Russia and Sweden are the best countries https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/06/29/how-do-you-pronounce-gif [19:38:48] How long have you been saving these links to try to convince me of your wrong opinion? [19:38:50] Sad. [19:40:15] jpeg is pronounced with a palatalized p [19:40:26] I haven't saved them. These are just top hits on Google when searching about how "gif" should be pronounced. Burn [19:40:45] The old google search as proof. :P [19:41:10] Google is the sum of all human knowledge and you know it [19:41:21] Google is fake news. [19:41:28] "Joogle" [19:42:01] But Yahoo gives the same results, if you want them peer reviewed [19:42:41] As does Duckduckgo [19:43:14] But what about Bing? [19:43:22] Or AskJeeves? [19:43:22] /p²eg/ [19:43:22] If you like, I can keep dredging through the internet until I find a source that agrees with what you want to believe ;) [19:43:38] I just go with what the format creator called it. [19:44:32] Alrighty, I'm hiding in my bunker now [19:44:58] APlayer- do you say gym? [19:44:58] No, actually I am just going to the basement to do some stuff. But either way I am AFK. :P [19:45:19] To compromise between a voiced alveolar fricative and a voiced velar stop. [19:45:31] I propose a voice velar fricative [19:45:49] Language! [19:46:12] /cjf/ [19:47:14] Red5, is that why you spell it "kanata"? [19:47:44] Isn't that a Japanese sword? [19:47:48] (the country, that is) [19:48:09] Hmm, do they make katanas in Kanata? [19:48:22] Katana is a motorcycle, I'm pretty sure. [19:49:15] What about rapiers? [19:49:36] We put them in prison, consent is important. [19:50:20] to use a sword? [19:50:50] Can't say the s word in here. [19:51:05] Yeah that's the real Red5 all right [19:52:07] Nobody else on the internet can cheese that fast [19:56:11] or a voiced velar affricate, /gcjf/ [19:57:59] Let's just change the name to "Picture Interchange Format" -> PIF. Problem solved [20:03:17] Judge_Dedd: but then I wouldn't be able to use almost-nonexistent phonemes like /gc/ [20:03:49] I'm sure you will find a way [20:07:51] http://www.manhattan-products.com/hi-speed-usb-pocket-hub - Computer's getting so old I had to get one of these heh. I have room for the vidcard now. [20:14:11] Another few dongles and you can pretend you have a Mac! [20:18:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdJ6BbvTw-s [20:18:56] YouTube - What can you do with a $20 laptop? [20:19:38] Old school Thinkpads have a special place in my heart. I think my old X31 was my favorite computer ever. [20:20:06] Oooooooh yeah if I find one of those at one of our thrift stores.......I'M GETTING IT. [20:21:11] Meanwhile, I am sorely tempted by the new hotness, the X1 Extreme. Want to buy but so much $$$. [20:33:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:33:53] Evening, Gentlemen. [21:34:52] Action: darsie made a low tech rocket to fetch yet another Duna surface sample: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot33.png [21:36:25] Nice one, Darsie. Does that get back to Kerbin as well? [21:37:00] yes [21:37:55] Fuel and EC was tight, so it was tedious to fly optimally. [21:38:12] No solar panel? [21:38:15] yep [21:38:30] Gotta save energy. [21:38:32] What's the docking port for? [21:38:54] To refuel the lander after it reorbits. [21:38:56] That's a pretty efficient mission. I'm impressed [21:39:26] That's pretty impressive, I won't do a Mun mission without an EC source. [21:39:56] Well, the engine is EC source, right? [21:40:11] Not the terrier. [21:40:19] Unless that changed? [21:40:19] In space you can turn something with a little poke if you're patient. [21:40:27] nope, doesn't create EC. [21:40:46] You mean for the takeoff and landing on Duna? Parachute down with SAS off, burst at the last moment... should be easy enough, no? [21:40:47] Need to turn off ... what's it called? [21:40:51] SAS, right. [21:41:15] Need to turn off SAS for low energy turns in space. [21:41:49] But yeah, I wouldn't have dared do it without at least a tiny solar panel [21:42:36] I did a minimal part count to both moons of Kerbin mission once, I used an LV-N instead of a Terrier just because it could generate EC. [21:42:45] Solar panel would have required another tech. [21:43:54] I also had to pick a low dv trajectory to Duna and back. [21:44:13] I'm definitely impressed with that, darsie [21:44:17] Nice job [21:44:20] :) [21:47:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:51:42] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:53:59] What is the delta V from minmus surface to an orbit at same altitude as minmus but equatorial? [21:54:39] I am having trouble parsing that [21:55:05] 47x47 equatorial orbit [21:55:27] 47 megametres not km [21:56:41] Do you mean an equatorial orbit of Kerbin? Essentially a plane change from Minmus? [21:58:40] It's only a couple dozen m/s more if you launch and eject at one of the nodes. [21:59:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:59:53] You want to wait until you're out of Minmus' SOI before doing the plane change though. [22:02:04] I would have thought it would be best to do it inside the gravity well [22:02:19] Oberth doesn't apply to inclination changes. [22:02:24] TIL [22:02:31] You want to be going as slowly as possible for them. [22:03:22] Yeah, but I thought you could launch at an angle from Minmus [22:03:44] That's way trickier than it sounds. [22:03:58] If you're returning from minmus orbit, wouldn't you be traveling even slower relative to Kerbin than if you were outside of Minmus SOI? [22:05:01] No. [22:05:16] Well, not in a way that will save you fuel, as I understand it. [22:05:52] Well, Oberth may not help there but Pythagoras still might [22:06:51] Yes, Ideally you would launch into a Minmus orbit with the correct inclination to do a purely prograde ejection into a Kerbin-equatorial orbit. [22:07:09] But that's a much trickier maneuver, all to save a few m/s. [22:07:33] You're right [22:08:18] Just re-read the question and since there's not really a "return" maneuver it makes sense to do it away from minmus and avoid the complications [22:08:28] why would you even want to return to kerbin orbit instead of just landing? [22:08:51] The question was to go into a Kerbin orbit at the same altitude as Minmus (very far) [22:09:35] i imagine that would involve waiting for minimus to be in AN/DN of kerbin equator [22:09:55] Yep. [22:10:26] That is unavoidable unless you waste tons of delta-v going into an elliptical orbit and back [22:10:50] I'm pretty sure you can get to an equatorial Kerbin orbit from a Minmus departure burn and that has Oberth effect. [22:10:53] and doing the inclination change halfway worst case [22:11:19] You can, darsie, but it's very difficult to set up and only save you a few m/s. [22:11:26] ok [22:11:51] A Minmus Ap/LKO Pe orbit will be *slow* at Ap, very cheap inclination changes. [22:12:49] i thought we didn't want LKO [22:13:04] 80 km Pe [22:13:10] Or 35 km even [22:14:18] i think the question was about a circular orbit [22:14:38] It was darsie's question... [22:18:02] then i'm confused who is asking what now [22:18:34] Er waity, I might be wrong about that. [22:18:37] *wait [22:20:59] What is the delta V from minmus surface to an orbit at same altitude as minmus but equatorial? [22:21:17] Even if circular at Minmus alt it's only a 6 degree change on 275m/s or so. So <30m/s [22:25:15] Escaping Minmus is the expensive part no matter how you slice it. [23:24:52] If I install the ksp demo https://steamdb.info/app/231410/ will it mess up my installed game? [23:25:23] You need to click the green free download button. [23:26:18] it's a different appid, it'd probably sync to a different cloud [23:26:37] especially if it's got a new menu item in the steam library [23:27:29] Is that a yes or no? [23:27:52] or probabl no? [23:28:02] I don't see any reason it'll break your game, it wouldn't hurt to make a backup of your gamefolder just in case [23:28:11] k [23:28:24] but with 99% confidence, it won't mess up anything, it's all separated [23:31:17] hmm, doesn't do anything. [23:41:54] when i tried the demo a few years ago, it was a horribly outdated game version and didn't really work [23:42:09] I landed on Mun with the demo. [23:42:25] i have some doubt they fixed anything there, anyway [23:42:39] It's for ppl to try ksp. [23:43:02] that is generally the idea behind a demo, yes [23:52:28] lol.. game demo... I've got KSP V0.7.3 on file... waiting for a good time to do a retro look sort of game play recording wiht it