[00:01:50] <UmbralRaptop> too bad
[00:03:11] <fhmiv> it's buggin me
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[00:19:34] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
[00:26:54] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/ae2f1dddf4fa0a3c4dc9155aa0966af0.png - I caught a REALLY nice picture of the Moon about half an hour ago at dusk.
[00:29:25] <Tank2333> there is a new launch site?
[00:29:41] <Tank2333> hi Super
[00:32:51] <Draconiator> https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product-archive/compact-digital-cameras/coolpix-l19.html - this is my camera.
[00:37:59] <UmbralRaptop> Tank2333: woomerang and dessert in the expansion. 
[00:54:21] <Draconiator> https://www.space.com/41165-venus-moon-conjunction-july-15.html - Took a picture of this with my camera.
[01:12:39] <Draconiator> Google REALLY needs to update the imagery in my area...some are from 2009
[01:13:30] <thelounge41> Hello, does anyone know where to download prior minor version releases?  I bought the game through the website/store and all it has for download is either 1.4.4 or 1.3.1 (I'm looking for 1.4.3)
[01:13:58] <Rolf> curious why very specific version
[01:13:59] <JCB> bleh... they still show major highway under construction here under satellite images but show the roads under 'map'...
[01:14:03] <JCB> just takes time
[01:14:12] <thelounge41> A bunch of my mods don't work with 1.4.4, but do work with 1.4.3
[01:14:22] <thelounge41> (Kopernicus & OPM specifically)
[01:14:39] <JCB> mods not been updated yet huh?
[01:14:48] <thelounge41> Story of my life :)
[01:15:08] <Rolf> bit ironic, I use minecraft with tooons of mods, but I never played ksp with mods
[01:15:10] <JCB> sorta why I've kept past versions of ksp... refuse to update them each time
[01:15:29] <thelounge41> Reading release notes for new versions is very much a case of "Oooooo look at all this cool new stuff . . . that I'll be able to use in six months once all the mods have updated"
[01:15:30] <JCB> unless you saved it previously... might be out of luck
[01:15:51] <thelounge41> I haven't saved it previously, I've been running on 1.3.1 for a while.
[01:16:04] <JCB> mods still work ok on 1.3.1?
[01:16:16] <thelounge41> The old versions do, CKAN is pretty good about it.
[01:16:33] <JCB> they just stick with that... if you want 1.4.4, make it into a seperate directory
[01:16:54] <JCB> that way you can still raintain your old working version, and play a stock 1.4.4. if you want
[01:17:05] <Rolf> I wonder if someone could convert multimc to work with ksp
[01:17:10] <thelounge41> Oh I still have 1.3.1, but it's got enough problems and all of my major mods are updated for 1.4.3
[01:17:10] <Rolf> because its very very handy tool.
[01:17:24] <thelounge41> It seems weird that there's no way to get the prior minor versions?
[01:17:46] <JCB> weird that .4.3 .4.4 is considered minor if it ended up breaking so much
[01:18:03] <Eddi|zuHause> do they really not work, or have they just not updated their compatibility info?
[01:18:11] <Rolf> JCB: not really if there is right tiny changes, it would break a lot
[01:18:13] <thelounge41> The main mod that doesn't work in 1.4.4 is Kopernicus, which is pretty critical to my career save.
[01:18:34] <thelounge41> Yeah and Kopernicus is famously sensitive, it breaks with almost every minor version.
[01:18:59] <JCB> as far as I know.. if you didn't already get it.. and its not up on squad/steam, probably not going to get it now
[01:19:01] <thelounge41> And the mod author has stated that he's not doing a 1.4.4 update, so we're waiting for 1.4.5 and then the author's time.
[01:19:29] <JCB> you /might/ be able to send them a message.. letting them know? Maybe try to request 1.4.3 get put up for the time being?
[01:19:32] <thelounge41> Hm.  Well that's disappointing.
[01:20:25] <thelounge41> I would have thought there would be an archive of things like that.
[01:20:29] <JCB> for me, I got rather invested in a couple of missions several versions back... then spat of updates, changed a few things.. left me behind
[01:20:48] <thelounge41> I've actually managed to keep the save save going since .90
[01:20:54] <thelounge41> *the same save
[01:20:56] <JCB> like I said.. just what Squad has up for the moment, it does change.
[01:21:30] <JCB> I haven't been grabbing updates like I probably should be...
[01:21:35] <thelounge41> Haha
[01:21:58] <thelounge41> I recall all my crews from where they're scattered off to, take a deep breath, do the upgrade once the major part mods are updated.
[01:22:07] <JCB> do contracts that are current status, get carried over to new versions ksp or does things go all screwy with them?
[01:22:07] <thelounge41> And then send everyone back out
[01:22:23] <thelounge41> I've lost a couple contracts here and there, but I've not had major problems so far.
[01:22:43] <JCB> one mission.. ya I know I keep putting it off, kerbal sitting 45 lattitude on the mun...
[01:22:46] <thelounge41> And I've lost some crafts due to parts getting depreciated or removed, but it's never been anything major.
[01:23:05] <JCB> I got a ship I built from a previous mission, figured I'd use it to rescue maybe do a vidoe out of
[01:23:41] <thelounge41> Lonely little guy needs rescuing :)
[01:23:42] <JCB> ya... think latest version, they kept the old 3 person command pod, but its hidden, as there was an updated version done
[01:24:00] <JCB> new version is lighter, newer texture...
[01:24:26] <JCB> a lot of parts got messed with.. would have been nice to at least been able to keep an archive, pick what you want in the game
[01:24:31] <thelounge41> Is the hitbox/mesh and attachment point locations still identical?  Typically skin/texture changes don't break anything.
[01:24:50] <JCB> well for that one kerbal.. he had to wait for a while anywyas, stuck in darkness on the mun
[01:25:10] <thelounge41> I've got USI-LS installed, I can't leave guys stuck anywhere or they die :)
[01:25:34] <JCB> as far as I know.. newer texture, handle bars, same model, just lighter in weight, RCS thrusters added
[01:26:19] <JCB> eh well.. it was career contract, stock, I didn't even have lights yet. stupid thing is, I wouldn't have taken it if I had known where he was.. that far from teh equator..
[01:26:29] <Eddi|zuHause> i should pick up the game again sometime
[01:26:43] <JCB> but be as it may... probably make for some interesting video.. I dont' know
[01:27:36] <thelounge41> Haha, I'm so deep into this career game with MKS that I've got multiple large refining/assembly bases on the Mun and Minmus, couple of large ships that I use for ferrying guys back and forth from Jool.  Should have a nice station on Laythe sooner or later.
[01:28:15] <JCB> sandbox or?
[01:28:56] <thelounge41> Career
[01:29:04] <JCB> ah...
[01:29:11] <JCB> I've yet to leave past minmus
[01:29:22] <thelounge41> You should get out there sometime, it's fun :)
[01:29:31] <Eddi|zuHause> me neiter
[01:29:33] <JCB> figured.. if I'm ready, I'll get planet alightment mod
[01:29:44] <thelounge41> Transfer Window Planner is useful
[01:29:50] <JCB> ya that one
[01:29:56] <JCB> alarmclock..
[01:30:33] <JCB> a few things, but I odn't want to over do it... I found with a friend's setup, 200 or so mods, not only loading time drags on, get a little overwhelmed from the start
[01:30:37] <thelounge41> And realistically Near Future Propulsion is mandatory if you're going to be doing large crewed ships with full life support
[01:31:10] <JCB> what would you consider 'large'?
[01:33:06] <thelounge41> Uh . . . 300 tons or so
[01:34:56] <thelounge41> https://i.redd.it/g81larg673tz.png
[01:35:37] <JCB> when you said 'large crewed ship'... you mean large is in the ship's size or the amount of crew?
[01:35:48] <Supercheese> nice ship
[01:36:07] <Supercheese> yeah those Lithium drives fron Near Future are nice
[01:36:46] <thelounge41> Well my ships can hold a lot more crew than I have on them, because I use USI-LS which has a "Habitation" mechanic.  You need to give each kerbal plenty of space or else they get grumpy and start blowing up parts of your ship
[01:36:56] <thelounge41> Those are Argon drives I think, the the VASIMRs
[01:37:08] <JCB> more space, happier crew.. I know.. I saw a brief bit of video on it from Kot
[01:37:28] <thelounge41> That ship in the image can hold . . . 65 kerbals?  
[01:37:35] <thelounge41> But for trips to Jool it has 10
[01:37:45] <Eddi|zuHause> what? no more 4 kerbals in a can?
[01:37:47] <thelounge41> For Sarnus it'll hold 6
[01:38:51] <thelounge41> It's mostly a mobile space station of sorts.  It rendvous with individual landing kits that I pre-stage around each of the planets to send crews down.
[01:39:08] <thelounge41> https://i.redd.it/0r2lse943ouz.png
[01:39:43] <thelounge41> But it's designed to keep 10 Kerbals fit and happy for 10 years, or 6 for 18 years.
[01:40:26] <JCB> I probably post this design a bit too much.. something of a Mk2 I did from a design idea I had a while back: https://imgur.com/a/shMsYG6
[01:40:27] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/zXP6efj.png
[01:41:03] <JCB> I guess I could ahve made the center part another crew cabin, but I was considering weight and plus it could have added extra space for supplies and an airlock?
[01:41:24] <JCB> also the ship I keep meaning to go down do that rescue mission with
[01:42:06] <thelounge41> Cute little guy
[01:42:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i never really find a use for the Mk1 crew cabin
[01:42:19] <thelounge41> does it have enough DV to get down to the Mun and back to orbit?
[01:42:32] <thelounge41> I use the MK1 Crew Cabin in a lot of my smaller SSTOs
[01:42:57] <Eddi|zuHause> i guess i would like a 4-seater Mk2-sized one, instead of the can
[01:43:18] <thelounge41> Yeah but the MK2 parts kinda suck from a weight/capacity ratio
[01:44:00] <Eddi|zuHause> also, i would like it to have a door like the Mk1 plane cockpit
[01:44:15] <JCB> shake down mission.. did the mun landing mission no problem. Docks at a station in kerbal orbit, crew transfer over to a LKO ship
[01:44:54] <JCB> JR ports on the sides, I had the forethought to add, originally for sub satellites, ended up using them for extra fuel packs for the rescue mission
[01:45:23] <thelounge41> Yeah the no hatch on the MK1 cabin is annoying
[01:46:13] <JCB> off the side? Eh.. sorta a problem. I've worked around it a little, leaving at least one end open on some station designs. kerbals can get out that way if you click on it
[01:46:24] <JCB> just make sure nothing else is around the 'port'
[01:46:51] <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't work if you put it "inline" in a plane
[01:46:57] <thelounge41> An MK1 cargo bay would be really useful
[01:47:43] <thelounge41> But anyway, so no easy way to get 1.4.3, huh?
[01:47:59] <thelounge41> Might have to find some kind soul who still has it and can dbox it to me or something
[01:48:10] <Eddi|zuHause> alternatively, a change of game mechanics that a hatch in one part can be used by all crew
[01:48:21] <Eddi|zuHause> without shuffling them around
[01:49:22] <Eddi|zuHause> which would open up the possibility of special hatch modules
[01:51:15] <JCB> I tried experiments with using service bays... ya doesn't work either.. has to be completely open, nothing in the way..
[01:52:07] <JCB> I know firespitter has a crew cabin with door on the side, but the looks is more for heli's and planes than it is spaceships
[01:52:34] <thelounge41> Well, looks like I'll keep fighting with my broken 1.3.1 for now.  Thanks guys
[02:17:51] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/42a5cda3898bfa6663fc296f6e308b85.png
[02:22:05] <Draconiator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
[02:22:05] <kmath> YouTube - KIDS REACT TO OLD COMPUTERS
[02:47:28] <Draconiator> hmmm...
[02:48:01] <Draconiator> I wonder if hal a Q-tip would work in a rotary tool to polish a scratched CD.
[02:57:45] <Draconiator> Yeeeeep it does work, but not for long.
[03:06:30] <Draconiator> Second idea with a piece of paper towel works WONDERS, with the downside of it looking like I slaughtered a chicken in there.
[03:13:20] <Rolf> Draconiator: theres certain stuff you could use to FILL in plastic
[03:13:25] <Rolf> forgot what though
[03:13:41] <Rolf> need to be uber clean first though because dirt or oil whatever will get trapped
[03:13:57] <Rolf> refraction must be around same as orginial cd plastic
[03:26:41] <Draconiator> I'd think REALLLLLLLY fine automotive sandpaper might work too (anywhere above 4000 grit)
[03:46:17] <Draconiator> RIP Freelancer CD...I tried everything.  I'll keep it and just download the darn thing.
[03:59:09] <JCB> mm.. satellite I was trying to track, seemed quiet tonight
[03:59:24] <JCB> you'd figure those am-sats would be constantly busy with traffic all the time
[04:01:18] <Draconiator> What kind of data can you get from those?
[04:02:55] <Draconiator> https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/elon-musk-tweets-apos-ll-024335163.html - Elon is acting like Trump rofl
[04:03:54] <JCB> People use it as a relay, ham 2 meters... satellite also has Data under Voice... mostly telemetry, one of these series has a camera but its not always on. the other runs a radiation counter
[06:18:44] <Althego> https://i.redd.it/malimzg0j5a11.jpg
[07:00:16] <GlassYuri> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiDOnbwUwAA3SPZ.jpg
[07:01:00] <GlassYuri> Althego, lol
[07:03:09] <JCB> when you've got too much money, not enough reasons to spend it on
[07:05:32] <GlassYuri> when you've got more money than sense but also more complexes than money
[07:11:44] <JCB> complexes huh?
[07:12:28] <taniwha> or fake postings
[07:12:41] <Althego> if you sleep in your own factory, you have problems >(
[07:13:19] <JCB> oh.. working man huh?
[07:14:00] <Althego> i dont know if he still does it, but for a while he slept in tesla, something like 1/2 months ago
[07:14:41] <JCB> well.. if the commute was something he didn't want to bother with.. I'm sure anyone else would have slept at work too
[07:14:52] <JCB> more so if pulling so many extra hours
[07:19:11] <Gasher[work]> GlassYuri, i sw tha tjoke before but it's really good
[08:27:22] <Althego> https://i.imgur.com/dayqiVG.gifv
[09:56:45] <Rolf> Althego: I wish MNG support was well done
[09:56:48] <Rolf> but guess not
[09:57:05] <Rolf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-image_Network_Graphics
[09:57:26] <Rolf> gif sucks, and "gif" sucks worse
[09:58:21] <Rolf> or maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG
[09:58:34] <Rolf> its certainly supported on my browser, firefox
[09:58:48] <Mat2ch> well, today we have mp4...
[10:00:17] <Rolf> mp4 is as old.
[10:00:26] <Rolf> so its not "well NOW we have it" heh
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[14:40:27] <APlayer> Rockets and cats, what else would you wish for? https://i.imgur.com/aJKTsNv.jpg
[14:41:15] <Althego> lol
[14:57:41] <UmbralRaptop> GlassYuri: https://twitter.com/gsahida/status/1017359122981740546
[14:57:41] <kmath> <gsahida> ¹üÑü«ßª­ãóÇ£w7/14û15 ^¡:l(güegM~Yw	 https://t.co/TAhTEFbuwh
[14:59:47] <Mat2ch> uhm
[15:00:29] <UmbralRaptop> Mat2ch: it's a pun, see& 
[15:02:26] <Althego> you mean the detector pm tubes or whatever they are look like candy?
[15:06:39] <UmbralRaptop> The name, too. 
[18:12:03] <seanth> JPLRepo ping. Question about ResearchBody parts overheating
[19:20:15] <Draconiator> Well today took a pretty interesting turn, was going to go swimming in the pool when I found an extremely invasive species in the pool, so I had to report it to our local state wildlife management.  https://i.gyazo.com/42d4f1288f108d372e57d070c042a275.png
[19:20:42] <deadmind> what is that?
[19:20:56] <deadmind> i think i've seen a bug like that before. or it just had the same color/textuer
[19:20:56] <deadmind> re
[19:26:24] <Draconiator> Emerald Ash Borer
[19:29:00] <deadmind> wow. killed millions of trees
[19:29:09] <deadmind> that little bugger, literally
[19:29:24] <sandbox> is that the same thing?
[19:31:14] <deadmind> looks quite a lot like the photo on the wikipedia page, just a smaller specimen ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_ash_borer )
[19:36:10] <deadmind> woo i figured out what broke my WASD keys in the editor (made some things impossible)
[19:36:17] <deadmind> it was Part Angle Display
[19:37:11] <sandbox> ash trees can't seem to catch a break, when it's not fungus it's beetles
[19:39:47] <sandbox> "In 2016, the ash tree was reported as in danger of extinction in Europe"
[20:20:33] <Supercheese> Exclamation marks are like boosters for words. Moar boosters!!!!
[20:23:19] <UmbralRaptop> ¡
[20:28:25] <Supercheese> ¡¡¡¡Más cohetes!!!!
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[20:32:12] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
[21:11:35] <Fluburtur> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CulxEMDWEAA_hGl.jpg
[21:21:46] <Deddly> How did you get a picture of me on my daily commute?
[21:22:55] <Fluburtur> I got word of your doings
[21:23:19] <Fluburtur> komrade
[21:29:10] <UmbralRaptop> When you can afford a luxury SUV, but not an SPG& 
[21:52:37] <Tank2333> o/
[21:52:38] <Deddly> I had to Google "SPG". I now know that it means "Starwood Preferred Guest"
[21:52:48] <Deddly> Yo Tank2333 
[21:53:06] <Tank2333> Hi
[21:53:19] <Tank2333> -.-
[21:53:22] <Deddly> LOL
[21:54:46] <UmbralRaptop> Deddly: Self Propelled Gun
[21:55:10] <UmbralRaptop> (since apparently Rokker is slacking) 
[21:55:21] <Deddly> Worked it out eventually, UmbralRaptop. Thanks ;)
[21:55:29] <mabus> id rather have marriott points over a self propelled gun
[21:55:30] <Deddly> Museum
[21:55:58] <Rokker> museum
[21:56:48] <Rokker> UmbralRaptop: SPG is such a weird term imo. like realistically you can apply it to just about any tank and even some planes and ships
[21:57:20] <Rokker> howdy SPG2333
[21:57:24] <Rokker> I mean Tank2333 
[21:58:14] <Tank2333> Howdy
[21:58:39] <Tank2333> SPG2333 is my brother
[21:58:57] <UmbralRaptop> Rokker: eg: AC-130 and brrrrt? 
[22:01:04] <Rokker> UmbralRaptop: and B-25G/H
[22:03:46] <Rokker> UmbralRaptop: XA-38
[22:06:09] <UmbralRaptop> But not quite the P-39 or P-63?
[22:07:58] <Supercheese> the US Army prefered the term Tank Destroyer (TD) over SPG, I believe
[22:10:45] <Rokker> UmbralRaptop: that's debatable
[22:11:13] <Rokker> Supercheese: yes but SPG standard usage doesnt apply just to TDs
[22:11:45] <Rokker> it also applied to long range artillery pieces like the priest
[22:18:40] <Supercheese> true
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