[00:39:47] "Launch delayed until tomorrow, on account of Jebediah being stuck in the Snackbar vending machine....again" [00:48:38] Action: UmbralRaptor pokes website hamsters with a stick. [00:59:59] https://i.gyazo.com/84dc0684aa9fe40930e4e2516d36c1fb.png - yep, experimenting again. [01:07:53] I mean, I guess. [01:14:11] hello [01:14:44] are you real? [01:14:58] i thought so.... [01:15:10] hello [01:15:19] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:15:19] nice [01:22:08] n i c e [01:39:57] ¯\_(Ä)_/¯ [02:03:39] is there any time frame for a 1.4.1 KSP update? [02:04:06] cause i may want to wait before building a new server. [02:04:17] Guest48754, 1.4.1 is already out [02:04:39] but for Dark KSP? [02:05:12] Poke #DMP and/or darklight directly? [02:23:43] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: All for sample and regolith, life support won't last forever, every Kerbal wants to land on Mun! [02:24:14] United States likely to get Adeptus Astartes http://spacenews.com/defense-official-trump-is-serious-about-creating-a-space-force/ [02:24:54] Ahem, provided that one branch of the government that passes laws passes out in a bar. [02:24:58] Don't we need thunder warriors first? [02:25:52] UmbralRaptor: Punk Rockers were essentially technobarbarians [02:26:53] hail probe [02:27:10] We who are about to science salute you! [02:27:46] I miss the bot responding :S [02:27:47] Action: UmbralRaptor hails Luna 3! [02:28:15] The probe you have attempted to dial is no longer in service. [02:28:55] They can't all be Voyager. =\ [02:29:34] No. Most of them are around Mars. [02:29:54] Voyager calls collect, anyway. [02:30:26] MRO is like a post office for rovers [02:30:56] And that's problematic if something happens to it. [02:31:06] Particularly with Mars 2020 coming up! [02:31:14] can they bounce through maven? [02:32:09] Wonky orbit does not help. [02:33:18] Clearly we must transition to Hyperpulse Communications! [02:33:33] In the name of Blake, contact Comstar! [02:33:40] Also, it's a minor miricle that Mars Odyssey still works. [02:34:45] UmbralRaptor: Ended better than that *other* space odyssey. [02:34:56] kinda surprised noones talking to a voyager right now, they always seem to be chatting [02:36:33] Well, you more or less need a radio telescope& [02:37:07] VanDisaster: Not much to say. Most of the instruments are off to economize on precious RTG energy. [02:37:36] dsn always seemed to have a dish pointing at them for the last I dunno how many months [02:37:56] mebbe we're on the wrong side of the sun or something, no idea if there's an online orbit visual [02:38:49] https://theskylive.com/voyager1-tracker [02:39:00] This reminds me . . . I still need to track down Voyager 1 or 2 in Elite. [02:41:11] Are these the Halcyon_b days? [02:43:34] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders why there is so much . . . unmerited optimism assuming the success of the BFR. [02:43:50] Orbital did a tune called Halcyon & on & on, how appropriate [02:43:57] I haven't heared that in a while [02:44:38] What on the Moon? " It's time to build a military base on the Moon. We eventually will have to have a military base in space, it should logically be on the Moon. The giant lava tubes at Marius Hills seems to be an ideal location." [02:46:14] Is that from some 1950s report? [02:46:45] UmbralRaptor: No, it's some one commenting on the linked SpaceNews article. Another person also stated, "Why do we have humans in charge of ICBMs? To make the final judgement if no one else can. Lower launch cost will enable human control from orbit/space for many issues." [02:46:48] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dozeman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:47:29] Because if there's one way to insure the continuation of your nuclear arsenal's ability to launch, it's to literally place your entire operation in the most vulnerable position imaginable. [02:47:54] Heaven forbid there's ever a CME. [02:48:29] Oh, it's much worse than that. Both vulnerable and capable of striking more quickly, so encourages a first strike. [02:49:02] (A lunar basing at least gives time to react) [02:49:14] I don't know what is worse. The fact that people are taking the unlikely suggestion of a Space Force seriously despite it only having one Congress-critter backing it, or the fact that they're literally imagining the use of Space Marines. [02:51:41] Particularly concerning given that the Secretary of Defense is not really on board with the idea. [02:52:19] Oh dear. "Having nuclear missiles on the moon (or somewhere far away) eliminates the temptation for an enemy to launch a first strike with the hopes of destroying us quickly enough not to respond." [02:53:00] We'll just ignore the difficulty in conducting a first strike against flotillas of hidden Doomsday-in-a-Can. [02:53:31] Action: UmbralRaptor pokes reality with a stick. [02:53:47] At least TESS launches soon. [02:53:58] I WANT MORE INSIGHT! [02:54:12] After Insight, I recommend sending roughnecks to the Martian polar icecaps. [02:54:55] The Lunacy continues: "The warheads would be much more difficult to detect. Seeing a terrestrial ICBM launch is pretty obvious and makes it much more easy to predict where the warhead is than a cold object coming in from deep space." [02:55:12] Uh [02:55:25] Launch detection no real. [02:57:20] It's amazing how much a person can unlearn by getting their general spaceflight knowledge from television, comic books and bad novels. [02:59:54] Scolar_Visari: detecting moon missiles would be much harder imho [03:00:16] ah there we go, canberra setting up for voyager 2 [03:00:59] Scolar_Visari: you would need full coverage of the moon by satellites [03:01:00] bees: Launch detection gear could be placed on Earth and the heat plumes would be rather notable during the missiles' boost phase. [03:01:13] Scolar_Visari: boost phase would be on the far side of the moon [03:01:18] Scolar_Visari: that much is obvious [03:01:25] No it isn't. That's a terrible place to put them. [03:01:34] Scolar_Visari: to avoid being detected? not at all [03:01:53] You would increase telecom costs and missile size requirements per payload. [03:02:08] Likewise, they'll still be detected as the boost would have to continue on an intercept trajectory from Earth. [03:02:47] you certanly can boost directly to the earth from the far side [03:02:49] In fact . . . I'd bargain the missiles would be more visible because they would be obligated to conduct much of their boost phase against space, rather than against the potentially Sunlit side of the Moon. [03:03:02] it would not be the fastest arrival, but it would be fully covered [03:03:30] There's also that matter of the reentry vehicles reflecting Sunlight in the visible and infrared spectrums. [03:04:40] paint heatshields dark, duh [03:04:42] If some one's gone through the multi-hundred billion dollar venture of putting a missile base on the Moon, some one's also gone through the multi-million dollar effort of making the semi-autonomous telescope network needed to detect the projectiles mid flight. [03:07:11] Why not just build an armada of SSBNs!? [03:07:32] Launch close enough to a target's shore, and you get nifty depressed trajectories. [03:07:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:08:15] If some one's gone through the multi-hundred billion dollar venture of putting a missile base on the Moon, [03:08:20] you overestimate the cost imho [03:09:00] Overestimate? The ISS cost over $100 billion, and that's trivial compared to a missile base on the Moon. [03:09:25] ISS is scientific [03:09:31] missile base on the Moon is practical [03:09:39] very big difference. [03:10:09] You're not *just* launching missiles and landing them for future use. You have to R&D the Hell out of them so they can last years in an environment hostile to machinery, you have to invest in telecoms and C&C infrastructure and you have to have the launches to even get into space. [03:11:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:11:56] Scolar_Visari: for some reason i think that digging 5m deep holes on the moon and putting small rockets there is quite simple compared to full of scientific equipment rovers [03:12:03] A missile base on the Moon isn't practical. It's absolutely worse than useless, and that still would not get rid of the hideous R&D costs on top of the launches. Heck, the launch costs alone would eclipse the ISS' expenses. [03:12:16] bees: DIGGING FIVE METER HOLES ON THE MOON IS NOT SIMPLE. [03:12:21] Scolar_Visari: why? [03:12:32] For starters, we can't even dig holes that big in space environments. [03:12:41] Insight, for instance, will drill about a meter. [03:12:48] Scolar_Visari: [citation needed] [03:12:53] Insight is not a drill. [03:13:11] Insight has the largest drill afforded to a spacecraft since Apollo. [03:13:39] Furthermore, you also have to place the missiles in said holes. Do you know what sort of engineering that would take without sending people there to crane them into place? [03:14:37] Lunokhod was hard enough to operate, and that was just equipped with passive sensors. [03:15:08] Scolar_Visari: this is moon, you can operate remotely [03:15:40] Operating remotely with severe communications lag is neither easy nor quite possible if you're assuming a far side operation. [03:15:45] Scolar_Visari: point is, when you drop every mention of "science" from your mission, you suddenly face a 1234534632463 times solved problems (on Earth) that you just need to adapt a bit [03:15:48] You, again, need a new C&C infrastructure. [03:16:11] Your point ignores the actual reasons for the Space Station's costs. [03:16:47] You can't handwave the R&D and launch costs away, and this isn't as straight forward a process as you're insinuating. You need to develop a signfiicant amount of new hardware. [03:17:07] a significant amount of new SIMPLE MECHANICAL hardware [03:17:21] Ballistic missiles are not simple, nor are cislunar missiles. [03:17:40] you already have ballistic missiles [03:17:52] they already designed to operate in space for some time [03:17:53] They would not work on the Moon. They require human maintanance and have lower delta-vs. [03:18:02] Their operational time in space is literally measured in minutes. [03:18:31] Heck, I'm not even sure the nuclear payloads would survive well given long term exposure to cosmic and stellar radiation. [03:19:24] To say nothing of sensitive electronics. It'd be rather unfortunate if your interial guidance computers got so fried from spending years in space that they couldn't hit their target's continent! [03:19:55] Scolar_Visari: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-36_(missile)#R-36ORB [03:20:27] also 5 meters below surface of the moon and enviroment is almost the same as missile silo [03:20:31] a little bit colder [03:20:33] And that's really far away from spending years in space. [03:20:43] 5 meters below surface != space [03:21:36] Er, no. Five meters below the surface doesn't include the weeks or months they'd spend in transit before being position. Though, again, we have absolutely no equipment for digging such large structures on the moon. [03:21:51] And, again, those missiles on Earth also get regular maintenance. [03:22:53] we dont have such equipment because noone had the reason to create one [03:23:02] Because it's hideously expensive. [03:23:07] because it is useless [03:23:23] (for science) [03:23:27] I guarantee you planetary scientists wouldn't think so. [03:23:40] Deep core samples from Mars would be a Godsend for climate sciences. [03:23:59] As it turns out, however, digging holes is hard. [03:24:04] if you dig a hole, that would not be a sample [03:24:08] that would be a hole [03:24:28] digging SCIENTIFIC holes is different [03:24:30] You get the sample by digging a hole. [03:24:45] Action: Scolar_Visari also notes certain landers had shovels. [03:25:37] Phoenix in particular illustrated how different Mars can get once you've gotten beneath the regolith. [03:25:52] shovels? halfway there [03:26:20] Except, of course, they lifted up mere grams of materials. You're talking about tons of Lunar regolith, which is a pain given that it's particularly bad for moving parts. [03:27:23] Have any idea how you're going to get a Lunar excavator on the Moon? How to power it? [03:28:07] Or, better yet, how much in R&D it would cost to make one that doesn't last more than a few days when regolith gets in the moving parts you can't cover? [03:29:04] And then you need hardware to move the missiles in the place, hardware to actually create a functional silo (otherwise they're just opened top and still vulnerable to radiation), and hardware to connect missiles to your C&C infrastructure and telecoms. [03:29:23] This, uh, isn't the best channel for this discussion, given the strong implicit politics. [03:29:26] The ISS didn't have to go through any of that, and that was just to make a facility that could house seven people in orbit. [03:29:46] every hardware for digging a hole already exists [03:29:47] UmbralRaptor: I demand satisfaction on the field of honor, good dromeaosaur [03:30:05] bees: Digging a hole on Earth is a lot different than digging a hole on the Moon. [03:30:18] Scolar_Visari: hole is a hole [03:30:20] Unless you just send people there with shovels, of course, but then you have to house them. [03:31:07] You can't just send a terrestrial excavator to the Moon and expect it to work, particularly since most of them are diesel powered! [03:31:26] pick one that is electrically powered, duh [03:31:30] There is always /msg [03:31:50] UmbralRaptor: the topic is digging holes in the moon, what is wrong with that [03:31:51] bees: I don't know if you've noticed, Solar power is kind of weaksauce for industrial applications. [03:32:31] Scolar_Visari: do we have a strict time limit? [03:32:43] Photovoltaics do not age well in the space environment, so yes. [03:32:55] so, a few years? [03:33:24] To say nothing of other components breaking down. Again, Lunar regolith is murder on sensitive equipment and moving parts, which a complex digging vehicle must inevitable expose. [03:33:53] "sensitive equipment" [03:33:59] hole digging, sensitive equipment [03:34:00] pick one [03:34:01] Like, for instance, wheels. [03:35:04] not being limited by vibration/shocks that would break micronanogammabetaneutrinoprotonradiodetectoreflector is nice [03:35:46] That's not really a problem on most of the equipment NASA sends up, because they have to survive the shock of launch and landing. [03:36:38] (while being inactive, i presume) [03:36:41] Heck, several rovers landed on Mars in a bouncing balloon shell. [03:37:33] I think you're overestimating the cost of the scientific instruments. A lot of the cost and mission payload mass for that matter consists of the chassis for a given probe. [03:38:36] that needs to provide everything for 205723958235 different instruments [03:38:44] have there been any single-purpose missions? [03:39:49] Magellan immediately comes to mind. [03:39:58] For instance: Of Mars Science Laboratory's total program cost in 2009 of then $1.631 billion, only $124.3 million went to payload development. [03:40:29] Scientific probes can only carry a small handful of instruments. [03:40:56] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:41:20] Juno, orbiting Jupiter at this very moment, has ten scientific instruments. [03:41:29] Excuse me, nine. [03:44:58] The MSL has around 13 if you include the brushes and drills. [03:46:22] more than enough if you ask me [03:47:49] Heck, the Hubble only carried *five* instruments when it launched. [03:51:57] The Viking landers are perhaps the best comparsion. As comprehensive a package as they were, the costs of the then revolutionary experimental payloads was still less than a third of that needed for the rest of the lander. [03:53:01] Those platforms did a *lot* less than you're wanting to do with extraterrestrial earthmoving gear. [03:53:56] Moon is also quite a bit easier [03:55:11] The Moon's every bit as difficult, if not more so, than Mars. You don't get photovoltaic cleaning anomalies like the MER hardware got, and you get long nights with no power for Solar gear followed by long days with extra stress on heat rejection. [03:55:52] Even if you ditch Solar and go for RTG or heavier, you still have to stop activity during Lunar nights to ensure your hardware doesn't freeze. [03:56:25] Scolar_Visari: statistics are in favor of the moon [03:57:15] Statistics that don't take into account any of what we're discussing, particularly in the context of the Moon only getting one unmanned rover to Mars' four. [03:57:35] The sample size is so small as to be insignificant. [03:58:13] Excluding the Jade Rabbit, of course, but I suppose that should count as half successful? [03:59:39] bees: re rovers, the moon doesn't have statistics. it has one data point [04:01:38] taniwha: Well there's Lunokhod and Yutu (Jade Rabbit), but that last one didn't get much press and did sort of get stuck. [04:02:19] Neither were technically complicated (though Yutu had ground penetrating radar!), so I can't imagine that boads well for putting a Caterpillar excavator or front loader on the Moon. [04:05:05] The manned Lunar Rovers were also pretty simple (being two seats on wheels developed within a couple of years) yet still required repairs [04:06:37] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders sending up Wallace and Gromit to excavate cislunar missile silos under the deceit of Lunar cheese mining. [04:08:02] or just pay them with cheese [04:08:18] "Analysis of data recovered from Lunar recon satellites reveals high concentrations of cheese-mass here, here, and here in the highlight regions. We will deploy a one man, one dog team to recover this material." [04:09:02] "Commander Gromit will take point with Lieutenant Wallace acting as the mission payload specialist." [04:10:45] Amazing! This is already more plausible than Europa Report! [04:11:26] A Grand Day Out certainly could do with a gritty remake. [04:14:59] I can't imagine the trouble of sending a dog or cat to space [04:15:44] Ahem . . . Russian space dogs. [04:16:24] Those were short term [04:16:41] I mean, like, to the ISS for a month [04:17:12] Pigeons really don't like microgravity, I can tell you that much for free. [04:17:13] I recall experiments with small birds aboard Mir (albeit those may have been with quail embryos, rather than adolescent birds). [04:17:36] It's *possible* a cat might actually adapt to freefall. A dog perhaps less so. [04:18:22] Quail or something, wasn't it? [04:18:41] Oh boy, I'd expect a cat to just start spinning around trying to land on its feet forever. [04:19:04] actually - I think there are microgravitational feline experiments [04:19:20] Supernovy: As do I, albeit in aircraft with the cats going crazy. [04:19:34] Right, yes, cat vomit comets. [04:19:48] Action: Scolar_Visari would've thought it had been hilarious if a test pilot had been forced to eject do to a cat on their face. [04:20:31] Also: the Quail embryo experiments on Mir revealed severe developmental issues in freefall among the control subjects. Though a centrifuge was designed, it apparently did not work [04:20:47] And, I did not know this, Skylab had mice! [04:21:20] Killed by a power failure, however. [04:21:50] https://i.gyazo.com/f9fb7d79b693599030248d424309eafa.png [04:22:01] Ah, here we go https://finchwench.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/cosmoquails/ [04:22:55] Draconiator: I hope you have a gun synchronizer. Otherwise, Valentina's biplane will become a bi-glider. [04:23:28] France did have a suborbital cat. [04:23:41] I wanna be a bi-glider :p [04:24:27] We really need more quail experiments. The Mir attempts were . . . less than satisfying. [04:25:45] Action: Scolar_Visari envisions chickens being sent up into space and de-evolving into dinosaurs as part of a plot for a terrible Carnosaurs reboot. [04:26:48] We were just talking about sending you into space. [04:31:01] Pheh, degenerate unterstar! https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1803/crab_lg.jpg [04:35:17] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to summon the Galactic Council for judgement. [05:22:53] Supernovy: o/ [05:23:20] yo [05:23:42] Supernovy: I found out something you will find funny [06:49:51] halcyon_b kicked from #kspofficial by UmbralRaptor: test [07:18:09] hi [08:16:53] What is SpaceX planning to send to mars? [08:42:27] Blaannk: your mom. That's why they made the BFR [09:58:17] morning [09:58:32] kubi: gmornin [09:58:40] hi, kubi [10:07:47] UmbralRaptor: could you maybe ban halcyon_b ? [10:08:10] well, right now it looks like it has stopped, but... [10:15:49] halcyon_b kicked from #kspofficial by TheKosmonaut: fix your internet [10:16:03] His client probably won't... Never mind [10:17:13] is it a phone? [10:17:20] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+b *!*@h69-129-161-87.chctok.dsl.dynamic.tds.net' by TheKosmonaut!sid152460@highgate.irccloud.com [10:17:27] halcyon_1 kicked from #kspofficial by TheKosmonaut: halcyon_1 [10:17:32] I sent him a PM [10:17:46] He can come back when it's not a mess [10:25:23] I've thought about writing myself a script for these occasions, something that'll monitor my disconnects and if there's three ping timeouts in a row without user activity then kill any reconnection attempts to that server [10:49:54] im noticing something i have not seen before when using 1.4. i cant say its version specific, but it feels like it: when adding the mk12-r radial shute it seems to want to mount it a bit "inside" of the part you attach it to, making it undeployable due to "being stowed". [11:12:35] KAC has a new updated version now, not aviavable via ckan though. fyi [11:54:06] AimDownSight: Can take some time before its indexed in ckan [11:57:55] USI too [11:58:08] but be patient [12:26:06] NGC3982: haven't had that happen [12:26:13] I'll try and see though [12:30:20] i havent really reinstalled, reconfigured or something. i just noticed that it happends like half of the time [12:41:12] I did a landeklappen surprise attack on that dude https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/424547060767916061/20180317130524_1.jpg [13:51:17] So what kind of local TWR do I want for my Mun lander? [13:51:43] TheKosmonaut: https://skarmdump.henjoh.se/mk12rinsider.png [13:51:52] I'm going to practice actual *landings* in the appropriate tutorial of my 3.4 totally stock game, so I'm not worried about that (though probably a bit conservative is good). [13:52:43] I plan to basically lock surface retrograde, more or less kill the horizontal a couple kilcks up, and use thrusters to micromanage the landing spot (and also hopefully arrest tipping, but it might be good to do a rapid takeoff if it starts?) [13:54:58] anything above 2 should be enough [13:55:10] if it's too powerful, you can always throttle down, unlike in reality [13:56:37] thanks. I may go for smaller than a Terrier. [13:56:50] Though I'm designing for a crew of 3, for tourist and training missions. [14:09:57] NGC3982: Well, I dont really think you need *all* of those chutes anyway [14:10:15] I would wager it's getting into that storage unit and counting as stowed. [14:12:56] hy, can i ask a question about some mods? [14:14:40] noone will hate you if you do [14:16:39] TheKosmonaut: hehe, i know. [14:22:49] are there any mods which are in conflict with the strategia mod? i run a heavy modded 1.3 career and can not seen to make strategia work, and disabeling and checking everything will take forever, strategia contracts show up, but in the strategie building there are just the stock strategies and it says 0 active(max. 0), and i think, that all other mods i have installed do not interfere with the strategy system [14:24:07] hey [14:24:11] anyone here know alot about MKS [15:30:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:38:50] Jebediah is working at Airbus http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43418047 [15:41:21] hehe [15:41:45] the closest we got to that in reality was bill nye working for boeing [15:51:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:42:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:02:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:16:16] anyone here know alot about MKS? pm me if you do [17:17:27] quiet today [17:17:50] k [17:31:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:53:47] go to try and make micro spacestation in sandbox mod, end up making weird passenger space ship.. [18:01:34] I want this https://3dlabprint.com/shop/messerschmitt-bf-109-hf/ [18:07:20] classic [18:07:54] yeah I will make one and paint it like a f4 [18:08:00] because I like this one a lot [18:08:05] play it a lot in war thunder [18:09:27] good day [18:11:11] Just came back from a thrift store [18:13:09] I found a real old game... one Notorious for shipping really late and really buggy [18:13:30] any gamein the last decade? [18:13:41] nope. 199x [18:17:54] One of the very first Take Two game notorious for being in developpement for years and years [18:27:10] bass hunter 64 [18:28:14] rocket mage 128 : [18:28:15] ) [18:37:25] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlecruiser_3000AD [18:41:38] that's derek smart, you can't blame TT for his issues :P [18:47:10] I'm not blaming them at all. [18:48:06] aha, but can you git blame them? :) [18:51:00] in the case of BC300AD, probably not. The didn't do any commit [18:51:19] probably was under svn or cvs [18:51:22] or something similar [18:52:00] I doubt Derek knew about Version Control at the time [18:52:22] hehe [19:14:39] ? [19:17:10] Last message repeated 7 time(s). [19:17:10] ¿ [19:17:36] MKS.EL.OrbitalDock im having trouble finding this [19:20:12] scott abour vanguard 1 [19:20:26] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjl2vFCud98 [19:20:26] YouTube - Feel Glass Inc. [19:21:15] hehe, so stayputnik is a reference to vanguard [19:27:03] hehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSztXqAFtZ0 [19:27:03] YouTube - Building a Paramotor! - KSP [19:27:15] go kerbal paragliders [19:27:59] nah we need new parachute parts that act as parafoils [19:28:47] you cant make a loop with it [19:28:49] why [19:29:06] because they didn't take into account the kerbal factor [19:29:18] that peoples were going to do extreme sports immediatly [19:30:24] Sports awesomeness: 0.5 [19:31:04] I know someone that builds paramotor trikes in his basement [19:31:20] and he recently got a 500cc two stroke two cylinders engine [19:36:41] ... to make a hoop wing, see if it flies in ksp...hmm..... [19:39:02] as long as there's some wing surface anything will fly :p [19:39:46] hehe matthias wandel and the mouse videos [19:40:20] or at least flying surface and some speed.. [19:40:22] and the shrew wins again [19:40:36] I made a few flying wing sorta ssto's... [19:42:58] hehe, comment: "Can't wait until they nerf the shrew. #ShrewPatchÿ" [19:45:29] ... shrew? [19:45:48] #tametheshrew [19:45:50] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_37encRCI [19:45:50] YouTube - Bigger, tighter mouse maze experiments [19:46:34] somehow he slowlz starts this side job of amateur ethologist [19:55:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:59:16] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:59:16] https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/399309813713993730/424657305318195212/evil-laughing-shoes-hahaha.jpg?width=342&height=545 [20:05:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:08:05] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: A tragedy has engulfed our channel which started right here with the taxation of launch sites! [20:09:27] Ahem https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/03/spacex-bfr-should-be-launching-into-orbit-in-2020.html [20:10:00] this is seriously scary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVsHx-PQ4rI [20:10:00] YouTube - Bulb Changing on a 1999 ft. TOWER! [20:10:10] why would someone ever want to do that [20:11:11] Fluburtur: That video gives the impression of climbing a space tower. [20:11:19] hehe [20:11:30] space elevator climbin. an extreme sport [20:11:45] Also: Somebody has to change the light bulb. [20:11:53] use led light :) [20:12:17] I would chop down that tower and replace it [20:12:21] im not climbing there [20:12:24] hehe [20:12:25] or use a helicopter idk [20:12:27] me neither [20:12:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPNK7bc2qvM [20:12:44] YouTube - Spacer Installation on 765,000 volt line [20:12:46] I hope that dude ahs a parachute [20:12:47] this looks worse [20:12:50] not that high [20:12:56] but other complications [20:13:11] Fluburtur: Changing it with a helicopter would be more expensive. [20:13:13] also the dude has like no safety, the hooks could easily slide out of the side sticks [20:13:33] listen you would need to pay me much more than a heli to go do that [20:13:49] that is why they are paying someone else [20:14:02] I guess [20:14:21] but the comments on the video are fun [20:14:35] Using a helicopter means they'd have to pay one or two more people on top of the human replacing the bulb. [20:14:46] use a robot [20:14:53] or have a hot swap ready [20:15:05] Using a robot means millions of dollars in R&D for something you'll probably use once every few years. [20:15:20] I don't care [20:15:26] Hence why they're not hiring you. [20:15:26] robots are better [20:15:34] i can here the russian accent [20:15:43] which one was it, ironman 2? [20:15:52] Althego: Yeah. [20:15:59] With the guy from The Wrestler playing a Russian. [20:16:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:17:43] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hpRgTUVuhY [20:17:43] YouTube - Justin Hammer Drone Heads [20:17:53] wait, he said drone better [20:19:14] Drone, robot, meh. [20:23:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:23:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:24:57] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:24:57] Action: Scolar_Visari seriously ponders if SpaceX's engineers even believe in the feasibility of a launch-to-orbit date of 2020 is. [20:25:07] nah [20:25:35] they were delays with every stage of their plans up until now [20:25:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:27:41] Althego: The Falcon Heavy's well noted delays are particularly relevant, given that it was a much simpler design (albeit with increasingly little justification) with little to do but researching struts. [20:28:31] there were 2 accidents on falcon 9 too, which were further hindering it [20:29:03] Even more concerning is the fact that the BFR will be using a completely different engine design (methane burning, staged combustion) with absolutely no heritage! [20:29:58] I'm a bit dubious about it ever being built, honestly [20:30:06] the rocket, not the engine [20:30:09] Well, at least a failure would produce an explosion rivaling that of the old Soviet N-1s. [20:30:37] VanDisaster: As am I, especially given that there's not really an existing market for such a payload capacity outside governments. [20:31:38] Action: Scolar_Visari recalls the fates of Isambard Kingdom Brunel's gigantic steamships. [20:32:29] eh, the great eastern was just a bit too soon [20:32:56] I have to disagree with your claim quite a bit [20:33:02] I guess SpaceX will get funds from Elon, because this is his latest hobby, and perhaps from people wanting to visit Mars [20:33:09] it's not as simple as just 'slap struts on a falcon 9' [20:33:18] The Great Eastern was *the* largest ship afloat for more than four decades! [20:33:22] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX5TIDLvMyw [20:33:23] YouTube - Electricity has such amazing power - Compilation [20:33:35] APlayer: Yeah, but Musk probably doesn't have enough money for that. [20:33:45] We'll see... [20:33:45] as I understand it, they thought they'd be able to do just that at first and the delays came from having to redesign the center core [20:33:54] tawny: I would have thought the reference to *researching struts* was an indication of it being made in jest. [20:33:57] Back then, Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy were just dreams too [20:34:03] ahhhh k haha [20:34:07] Action: Scolar_Visari eyes the Delta IV Heavy having already unlocked that part of the tech tree. [20:34:07] I'm bad with sarcasm sometimes [20:34:43] that said, I definitely agree with you on the 2020 bit [20:34:57] APlayer: Tesla's run into serious issues, and there's good reason for skepticism regarding the global LEO internet. [20:34:58] have they even started building any parts of the BFR yet? [20:35:07] no heraitage is not really an issue. somebody has to do it first. and really no reason not to use methane except that others were too lazy to use it [20:35:48] Althego: It also means there's a a load more R&D issues. [20:35:54] yes [20:36:17] It's also not a matter of laziness, methane wasn't that great a fuel in the context of denser kerosene and higher isp cryogens. [20:36:23] they have at least some raptors [20:36:30] also there were tanks for the previous, bigger iteration [20:36:59] ooooo [20:37:03] And aside from the first stage development, the actual vehicle payload itself will easily eclipse the LV in R&D costs. [20:37:06] Sub-scale raptors have been test fired. [20:37:19] Raptops, you could say. [20:37:26] what, they were not full scale? [20:37:29] haha [20:37:55] and besides, raptor, call of the shadows, i can still hear the music today [20:38:40] :D [20:39:02] Action: Scolar_Visari would feel uneasy about claims of a functioning, passenger carrying interplanetary vehicle operating within a decade despite none having ever existed before. [20:39:29] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:39:42] if anyone can do it, spacex probably could.... but that doesn't mean anyone can do it in the first place [20:39:56]