[01:45:06] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth von Kerman The Wise? It's not a story the program would tell you. [01:45:55] Mars 2020 to land in Jezero Crater https://spacenews.com/nasa-selects-landing-site-for-mars-2020-rover/ [01:47:39] Following the water right into an ancient delta? :D [01:47:55] UmbralRaptop: Indeed! [01:48:11] It will stab Mars . . . FOR SCIENCE! [01:48:33] (To be fair, so will Insight) [01:49:08] Yes, but I don't think it will be nearly as . . . InSightful. [01:49:33] Also, InSight can only stab one spot. Mars 2020 will stab multiple spots. [01:51:21] point [01:52:03] Action: UmbralRaptop isn't familiar with 2020s instruments. In particular, will there be a new chemcam? [01:52:15] I know there's a new astrobiology suite [01:52:27] https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/instruments/ [01:55:51] Ah, supercam [01:55:51] Also: A tiny helicopter [01:56:05] Also, Raman spectroscopy. Nice. [01:56:24] Rover got its Moxie on [01:57:25] UmbralRaptop: College students have to eat something on Mars I guess? [01:57:28] so.. another RTG rover? I should look up on how the whole radio isotopes program has been these days [01:57:42] Hah [01:58:03] last I heard... they may have to mix in some other stuff to make what they still have left over last long enough [01:58:17] Unless.... program started up again or htey planning to buy from somewhere [01:58:57] JVFoxy: The United States resumed Pu-238 production several years ago. [01:59:13] Canada also produces some. [01:59:45] More seriously, it's a really clever bit of IR spectroscopy that detects various kinds of molecular bonds. Wikipedia can probably better explain, but the technique has become ubiquitous in materials science. [02:00:25] UmbralRaptop: The next logical step will be sending a gnome with a higher degree in geology. [02:01:16] ok guess I'm a little behind... was stuff on news how even medicine here was going to loose out because production of certain materials was shutting down too [02:02:10] I mean, if the journey to mars" or an equivalent happens& [02:02:31] UmbralRaptop: Journey to Mars, but with tiny gnomes and gnome-hat adorned helmets. [02:03:18] Low mass crew who consume less food and oxygen. [02:03:39] I know one comic talked about the use of midgets for space travel... smaller, lighter, took less resources for survival... [02:03:39] Unlike the hobbits, who require more [02:04:03] UmbralRaptop: Though, in the grand scheme of things, oxygen consumption's not that big on the list. [02:04:10] Water, on the other hand. [02:04:18] recycle water [02:04:28] You still require a large amount even with recylcing. [02:04:42] well ya.. you do need a buffer [02:05:09] there are other systems that can extract it, not just from waste but excess in the air [02:05:38] Recovery of water from the air is the easiest and, historically, the first kind of space system water recycling to have been performed. [02:05:43] Recycling urine is a bit trickier! [02:07:00] well from urine you do have to deal with a lot of other things mixed in [02:07:19] its also not exactly consistant [02:09:18] a process called De-polymerization, basically the break down of organics, rubber, waste into more simple materials and oils, they found they couldn't use teh same settings for everything that went in. It took them a while to figure out, ok we put rubber in, it needs these particular things going. And then we'll do organic waste, have to know a bit [02:09:18] more of what exactly ti is so they could fix the settings [02:09:48] pulling water from air and urine.. ya two different processes... but doable. [02:11:19] weee.. cruise'n 270m/s at 15km up... full pitch up.. guess I hit the design limit of this wide wing [02:13:16] Action: Scolar_visari ponders what kind of game uses a controller mapping photograph for a promotional screenshot. [02:17:50] ok.. plane sorta stuck in equilibrium... [02:18:09] though now I wondering, any mod that does a flying space telescope on a plane? [02:19:12] I suppose you could simply stick one of the many telescope mod components on one, though I'm not sure any work within an atmosphere. [02:22:39] For that matter, the sentinel telescope clone is stock, right? [02:23:59] just... crazy one of the early photos of planet in solar system was through telescope that flew up on a balloon to 80,000 feet. [02:33:26] Ah.. 1970's National Geographic, Stratoscope II, a balloon with a telescope launched from Taxas to 80k feet,takes a picture of Uranus. Picture of a grainy disk shown. [02:34:04] Action: Scolar_visari still wants more photos of Venus' surface. [02:34:25] JVFoxy: There were certainly older planet photos than that, particularly of Mars and Jupiter. [02:35:47] not surprised.. was more focused on teh fact they sent something up on a balloon for picture. [02:35:55] found images of the apperatus.. dang that thing's big. [02:37:49] ouch.. 3.5 tons by balloon to 80000 feet... [02:41:13] Balloon astronomy goes back quite a bit, particularly since you had to develop film on the telescopes anyway. [02:43:29] says for 1 and 2 they used film.. but second half of 2's life they switched to video cameras [02:44:28] first off, I'm impressed they could accurately point at a planet remotely from a balloon.. secondly just the size of the thing. I was expecting something a bit smaller. [02:44:50] 1 had a 12" bore... 2 had a 36" [02:47:32] JVFoxy: I imagine there were a lot of frames that didn't show the planet and they threw those out. [02:51:53] Action: Scolar_visari ponders why ancient astronaut-eers are still a thing. [02:52:25] Reasons. Mostly bad. [02:53:45] Particularly since there was a new update on potential assembly methods for Khufu's pyramid. [02:55:19] "The pyramids could not have been built by mankind!" "But there are obvious markings from stoneworking too-" "NOT BUILT BY MANKIND!" [02:57:36] Fine, when the reticulans arrived, they encountered intense resistance, and were ultimately all made prisoners of the pharaohs. To secure their release they had to act as menial laborers for ~200 years. [02:58:52] That's alt-history sci-fi I can get behind! [02:59:50] Better yet: Alien refugees from the planet Imhotep find a home in Ancient Egypt. In return for the pharaoh's kindness and providing the materials needed to repair their ship, they build great monuments. [03:00:13] However, they use copper chisels and wooden mallets. [03:00:30] Hah! [03:01:39] "We shall teach you the ways of monumental architecture with the technology you have available so you may repeat our achievements, mammals!" [03:02:24] And thus spoke the Imhotepians during the signing of the treaty with the Pharaoh, blessed be thy house, as they descended from their Sky Barque hand in claw. [03:05:04] Scolar_visari not sure... though did see quite a few articles on the machines. Not sure I've the mind to sift through things at the moment. I still have a PDF from gemini project, they had a couple of detectors on two flights. Occasionally I'll pick away at them when mood hits me. [03:05:07] Huh, Runescape's still a thing? [03:05:24] Scolar_visari: it's even more of a thing now then it was years ago I argue [03:05:25] JVFoxy: Rule of thumb for any photography: Most of your photos aren't worth keeping. [03:05:37] Kosmonaut: Well I suppose if Ultima Online still hasn't died. [03:05:38] And it released on iOS [03:06:05] seems to be rule of thumb with me: camera is never high quality enough [03:10:39] JVFoxy: As someone with access to a 0.8 m telescope, I can confirm this. >_>;; [03:22:17] 2nd rule of thumb: Aliens and sasquatch will photo bomb the best photos. [03:26:14] Scolar_visari: Sasquatch is always blurry though [03:26:24] That's just how the 'squatch do [03:27:12] the casino is officially open! [03:28:32] and in the meanwhile i've gone from struggling to get encounters by tugging on the node strings to burning so casually without even looking at the map that I get encounters at the apoapsis where i have to burn at full speed in order not to crash into the station XD [03:32:16] Kosmonaut: Have you ever seen a high resolution photo of an alien that wasn't censored by NASA? /s [03:57:16] Action: Scolar_visari goes away to find aliens in alphabet soup. [04:15:26] Ponder: should I do a cautionary video on what caused my station contract not to complete? Think its really a common issue out there? build station, get it to orbit. End up docking an older craft to it. later bring up the crew only to find it won't complete the contract because the other docked ship is messing with things? [04:20:58] https://i.gyazo.com/c7529c5dcc1df091f89146db1ab6df79.png - Okay decided to try a new Duna resque ship design....seeing as I can't pinpoint land with the other one bleh [04:21:06] *resque [04:21:15] *rescue [04:24:01] ... ssto in flying wing design? [04:29:22] JVFoxy, this seems like a problem largely solved by the cheat menu, IMHO [04:29:58] Well it'll get there through a traditional launch, but on Duna it'll act like a SSTO [04:32:45] lordcirth_ suggested earlier... one way yes. But undocking the 'offending' craft fixed it... [04:33:17] just need to back off long enough, then reconnect after contract closes up [05:35:27] how do I buy soft kerbles [05:52:19] .... 'soft' kerbals? [05:52:24] and of course.. poof [05:55:05] they can survive harder impacts than most parts [05:56:11] long as they land head first... so I've seen [05:59:52] ISS UTL: 56% [06:00:03] hah, the data finally arrived [06:45:58] derp? [06:49:55] iss urine tank level is what he reported [06:50:04] and there was no data from it for days [06:57:18] how did you survive those days? [06:57:29] by persevering [06:57:53] that's physicalky hard to do :/ [07:13:42] was wonder.. 'what data' at first.. then though was there issues with ISS data reporting system? [07:26:42] https://isslive.com/displays/ethosDisplay3.html [07:26:47] this is the source [07:27:05] ah i was too late [07:56:04] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:56:22] http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot4324.png [11:03:48] up to 4324 i see [11:04:50] nice playground [11:26:39] Truga: yeah [11:26:50] Eddi|zuHause: heh, new "no-launch" clamps [11:27:17] (green highlight) [11:27:26] the truss parts of the tower spawn as needed [11:31:25] for anyone who cares: https://www.twitch.tv/taniwhaqf [12:14:37] anyone know if you can teach steam to make png screenshots instead of jpg? [12:15:39] bigger issue is that people always make jpg even when it is a drawn image with few colors [12:16:21] jpg is just a terrible format for anything that isn't a photo [12:18:43] Eddi|zuHause, settings > in-Game > save an uncompressed copy [12:22:16] hm, that demands i specify a screenshot folder [12:22:32] but it won't let me select a symlink, only actual directories [12:22:42] lol [12:22:45] but my home is all symlinks [12:23:07] i hate it when programs want to know if something is a symlink or not and behave diferently [12:23:10] because that's how i decide what gets saved on the HDD and the SSD [12:24:18] but how does "uncompressed" translate to "PNG"? [12:36:52] not lossy >( [12:41:33] internet seems to remember a time when that setting meant saving as .tga or something [12:54:58] i have 420 hours on stellaris. now i can't play anymore or it will destroy the joke :/ [13:00:32] it's ok, the new patch is going to be amazing and you'll get up to 69420 hours [13:05:38] now where was i... [13:06:14] right... i was running out of potential rivals, and thought rivalling a fallen empire was a bad idea... [13:19:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:59:02] so... first snow [14:00:07] We had that yesterday or so in Vienna. [14:01:31] we rarely get snow [14:05:23] snow owns [14:06:58] Snow started a week or so ago here [14:08:59] You know, snow reports without location are meh. But be as anonymous as you like, np. [14:09:53] You can retune the step time <-- Max Physics Delta-Time per frame? It's 0.04, I can put it to 0.03. [14:10:27] yeah, that's the setting I meant [14:10:52] Doesn't look like 0.04 -> 0.03 would do much. [14:11:55] There's also Better Time Warp, which I think lets you do, eg, 0.5x physics warp [14:12:12] Yeah, you mentioned that. [14:13:37] Was modding of KSP unintended? Cause someone said squad didn't publish the API. They should do that. [14:14:42] No idea. [14:15:29] it's very intended [14:15:48] It certainly works oddly well for an unintended feature :P [14:16:08] GameData/Squad/etc and the loading structure is *very* mod-friendly [14:16:12] a lot of effort went into the ability to easily add parts and features [14:16:12] Compare to FTL modding [14:16:35] What's FTL? [14:16:41] don't even need to write any code to add parts, just a model, texture and a text file [14:16:46] Faster than Light. Great game [14:16:56] a few years ago it was all the rage [14:16:59] There are mods for it too, but they have to carefully splice game files [14:17:16] i remember sitting at the back of the sim and playing ftl in work all morning :) [14:17:24] sim? [14:17:39] next to the racks, behind the cockpit [14:17:48] flight sim [14:18:02] You work in a flight sim area? [14:18:36] used to [14:18:41] Cool [14:18:50] Got fired for playing? :) [14:18:59] :P [14:19:08] hehe no, i left because i git fed up with the germans [14:19:18] lol what did they do? [14:19:39] mostly between nothing and actively halting anything useful to happen on any project [14:20:20] Endless meetings? [14:20:53] not really [14:32:27] uh oh, there's been an awakening [14:42:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:12:48] well, the good new is their fleet strength is not "overwhelming", so i might have a chance :) [15:38:15] hm, what defines how many titans i can support? [15:40:53] Gotta ask Tom Cruise. [15:41:03] or the teen titans [16:03:56] hmm, scott in 11 minutes [16:04:36] what kind of strange feature is this premiere? a mix of live and recorder [16:04:38] d [16:09:42] heh what, elon renamed bfr to starship? [16:09:46] it is not even a starship [16:09:58] although it looks like the ship from futurama :) [16:11:38] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1064741356080222209 [16:17:18] elon was feeling the heat from tesla shenanigans again, had to quickly change subjects by renaming some rockets :p [16:19:41] hehe skye was filming him on the ship [16:44:50] so many youtubers' first reaction after using premiere is "yeah... I won't be doing that again" [16:51:05] hehe [16:59:32] Astronauts don't go to stars, either. [16:59:36] yet [16:59:50] and i dont like that word either [17:00:00] Cosmonaut, then :). [17:16:24] Is this how an Addams would behave? Is the best way to make sure youre being treated fairly and with love [17:17:57] A member of the Addams family? [17:19:35] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Addams_Family [17:20:02] what would brian boitano do? [17:27:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:29:18] https://66.media.tumblr.com/9be0e94adf1192158e0a1c7d03768c72/tumblr_phelanVGH71xoyw8po2_r2_540.jpg [17:29:37] https://66.media.tumblr.com/7c49e8b0749484e0fe4f0395f21ef839/tumblr_phelanVGH71xoyw8po4_r3_540.jpg [17:29:43] If it fits, it sits [17:34:21] If it's made of warm, it's for sitting [17:35:54] "Warm box is warmer than parents! Warm box is my new parents" [17:36:26] https://what-if.xkcd.com/35/ [17:42:55] i'd rather question why that shower has two outlets [17:42:56] amusingly, the listed speed record is obsolete [17:43:06] hehe [17:43:09] yese i just got there [17:43:17] because of parker [17:52:10] speaking of Parker https://twitter.com/NASASun/status/1064932886774730754 [17:55:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:56:41] i fell into a burning ball of fire (iw what hte probe would sing) :) [18:03:01] til i learned the wombat is the only animal that is literally ... pooping... bricks [18:31:40] im not sure heating up my trumpet with the hair drier is a good idea but it works [18:35:24] hot trumpet? [18:36:17] a cold one isn't pleasant to play [19:03:11] made of metal. you could use an induction heater on it :) [19:05:10] eh [19:05:14] I don't want to melt it [19:05:22] just a little bit :) [19:05:36] modding it with a magnetron then? [19:07:36] well I want to play it before I mod it [19:07:42] also I need a microphone for it [19:08:51] put it on an rc plane, and use a compressor to power it :) [19:09:01] airborne trumpet [19:09:01] but it needs lips to buzz [19:09:35] problematic, woodwind instroments are simpler [19:21:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:29:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:35:08] im not sure heating up my trumpet with the hair drier is a good idea but it works <-- that sounds like overkill, just blowing into it for a minute should warm it up nicely [19:35:37] YEAH [19:35:59] unless you had it in a freezing car for a while, then it might take two :p [19:36:46] using external heat may cause a bunch of problems with uneven heating [19:37:54] solar powered self heating trumpet [19:38:10] that's just holding it into the sun :p [19:40:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:59:16] hm, as a xenophobe empire, what's the best way to staying unaligned against the fallen empires? accept the leadership for the unaligned planets, but not invite anyone? or pass on the leadership? [20:00:44] i mean the awakened empires [20:02:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:06:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:42:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:29:27] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:29:27] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/514567925953200167/20181120223732_1.jpg [22:38:31] Cromwell tonk [22:47:39] with a top-secret rubber turret, apparently [22:56:30] is it historically accurate that cromwell had tanks? [22:57:10] basically [22:59:01] tbh, this sounds like a doctor who episode waiting to happen :� [22:59:04] :p