[00:40:04] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: You know what really burns me up? Reentry without a heat shield. [00:40:12] Action: Scolar_Visari grumbles about having to register. [00:41:10] All the more amusing considering the amount of idling. [00:41:52] Scolar_Visari: it is the registered users right to lurk! [00:41:53] i'm taking a bet on whether i disconnect before the spam storm is over, and can't reconnect because i won't be registering [00:42:26] TheKosmonaut: Do we really have any rights under our Combine leadership, Citizen? [00:42:49] No! You dont need them, for my rule is just and kind! [00:43:05] Why would you ever want to exercise any rights? [00:43:32] You know, honestly, I don't really mind the reproduction suppression field. [00:43:52] combine? you mine something like this? https://www.versatile-ag.com/NA/img/product_combine_overview.png [00:44:10] *mean [00:44:13] In fact, any such use of rights to protest our rule or complaining about our rule should be seen as an active attempt at subverting our utopian society. [00:44:23] And you shall be put to pasture [00:44:42] All for the sake of peace " [00:44:47] Eddi: No, I meant these upstanding citizens https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mwIOUz7pRsA/hqdefault.jpg [00:45:00] FOR THE GREATER GOOD [00:45:09] *muffled garbling intensifies* [00:45:27] i don't recognize that game [00:45:32] Eddi: Half-Life 2. [00:46:05] never played that [00:46:29] An alien empire of the near-future conquers Earth and its police force, the Combine Overwatch, have set up energy fields which inhibit reproduction. [00:47:23] Mind you, they *did* defeat the Earth's military forces within mere minutes, so I would not put such fantastic technology beyond their gripping appendages (or lack thereof, in the Combine [00:47:26] 's case). [00:49:23] that depends on if those were french military [00:49:27] Amusingly, Half-Life 2 is more famous for its infamous lack of a sequel. [00:49:44] that i know :p [00:50:16] Apparently, Valve is simply not interested in its development at this point. Portal spin offs, on the other hand . . . [00:50:51] i'm pretty sure there are also half life spinoffs [00:51:23] there isn't a *proper* portal sequel either [00:51:53] Yeah, but it ending didn't tease one, either. [00:52:04] "Here's freedom and your Companion Cube. THE END." [00:55:12] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders if the next Elder Scrolls sequel will actually innovate. [00:57:38] i haven't played any elder scrolls game either [00:58:44] Ah you may not be missing much? Morrowind is the best remembered because it actually looked unique among fantasy games, but the others are pretty bog-standard in terms of art direction and gameplay's nothing spectacular. [01:01:39] lots of games i never played because i never had a computer that was up to the task [01:01:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:01:51] other games i never played because they never interested me [01:02:27] It's big open world with linear stories and a super linear main campaign. [01:02:40] and then there were games that i always intended to play but never actually started [01:04:08] If you had to start, Skyrim would be it. [01:04:31] i tried to play kingdoms of amalur once [01:04:42] Scolar_Visari: the registration was because we got people spamming silly things about freenode again [01:04:53] That's actually not too bad, if only because it's one of the few games that encourages multi-classing. [01:05:06] UmbralRaptop: I think I may have seen one of the drivebies. [01:05:12] And what do you mean, "again"? [01:05:38] there was a spam attack a few months ago [01:05:48] there was a big wave a few months ago? [01:05:52] And you did not seek to prosecute the offenders with nuclear fire? [01:07:24] Eddi: Though, ahem, do not believe anyone who tells you Skyrim is, "dumbed down" in comparison to Morrowind or Oblivion. The skill systems in both those older titles wasn't actually that good and spellcasting sort of sucked. [01:07:52] Action: Scolar_Visari does not look fondly on Morrowind's easily abused potion-crafting, either. [01:09:49] Morrowind did at least make potion and spell effects less opaque than Daggerfall. [01:10:25] i mostly played simcity-type games (including settlers, transport tycoon and cities skylines here) and civilization-type games (including orion, europa universalis, stellaris), sprinkled in with a few adventure games of the zak mckracken and monkey island era [01:10:37] There is only one 4E game and it's name is STELLARIS [01:11:14] i dabbled a bit in AoE (1 and 2 mostly) [01:12:29] Action: UmbralRaptop played Grim Fandango remastered recently. Is it bad that it convinced me that adventure games are inherently flawed, and some should actually be VNs? [01:12:50] VN? [01:12:54] You have something against point-and-click adventure titles of ye olden era? [01:13:00] Visual Novel [01:13:02] Action: Scolar_Visari hides their copy of Lost Eden [01:13:26] you mean, cut out the puzzles? [01:13:33] yeah [01:13:54] most later adventures had an "easy" mode with only few puzzles [01:13:58] UmbralRaptop: I could easily find similar immutable flaws for most genres, ala space sims like Elite and 4E TBS titles like Civilization. [01:14:48] and nowadays, a walkthrough is just one google search away... [01:14:57] Scolar_Visari: trivially missable on-screen features that block progress, sometimes needing to do the same thing a few times in a row, or doing things in the wrong order did not always give a hint of the right order. [01:14:57] if you're stuck with a puzzle [01:15:11] Eddi: I like ye olden days where you had to buy a hint book. Luckily, my copy of Homeworld: Game of the Year Edition came with one. [01:15:25] Eddi|zuHause: that does help [01:15:46] i recently played the Deponia series, man that had some insane puzzles [01:16:04] UmbralRaptop: Amusingly, I do like the fact that skipping orders and such are largely integrated in games like Skyrim. [01:16:11] i mean 4th-wall breaking puzzles like "go to the options menu and turn down the music" :p [01:16:28] Scolar_Visari: nice [01:16:39] "Oh, you found the secret artifact already? Well, gee, that was quick. I didn't even need to ask you yet!" [01:17:10] Action: UmbralRaptop is partial to Zachtronics puzzles in some cases. [01:17:17] Action: Scolar_Visari specifically recalls that one can murder Grelod the Kind *before* being asked to do so, much to the pleasant surprise of her foe. [01:17:31] hah [01:18:07] Indeed, the character who requests her death says something along the lines of, "Wow! I knew you Dark Brotherhood assassins were good, but not THAT good!" [01:18:14] i vaguely remember talk about some starwars game where you could kill people through a window and later when you got to that point that stopped the story from progressing [01:19:23] UmbralRaptop: More amusing is the fact that no one really cares if she dies. She's one of the few (if only) non-hostile NPCs in the game that you can attack unprovoked and suffer absolutely no penalty. [01:20:07] skyrim is that game where you steal a chicken and then everyone gets mad at you? [01:20:51] Eddi: Not if you cover their heads and buckets and they can't see. [01:20:59] Seriously, you can cover their heads in buckets. [01:21:15] Not sure, though some Elder Scrolls games have ha problems with infinite guards spawning for minor crimes. [01:21:56] UmbralRaptop: Skyrim guards only attack you if you have a serious fine or resist arrest. [01:22:18] However, I have plenty of invisibility potions for escaping should they ever feel the need to assault my person. [01:22:51] Wait . . . There's new XCOM 2 DLC? I thought that was a rumor. [01:24:55] More than two weeks and I didn't hear of this? [01:26:12] so anyway, how much electricity storage do i need on minimus to last the night (using a rate of around 4)? i tried to land at the pole, but i missed the hilltop and i'm not keen on trying to move the base with the last few bits of fuel [01:28:18] got 3 battery containers with 3500 storage each, and the rover has another 500-ish. i don't remember how much the habitat and command base modules have [01:28:57] there's a lander about 12km away from a previous mission, that i could probably scavenge for parts [01:29:04] Uh, I'd check Minmus's sidereal day and divide by 2? It technically would vary depending on where Minmus is in its orbit. [01:30:29] or crazy idea: i put the rover wheels on the base, and try to drive to the hilltop :p [01:30:45] Solar Power Satellite constellation! [01:31:27] something like the sim city microwave power plant? [01:31:44] Yes! [01:32:00] There have been a least a couple of mods with remote power sources. [01:32:25] which are all not yet updated to 1.5 i presume :p [01:32:43] Indeed, and I wonder if my XCOM 2 mods still work as well . . . [01:33:51] Yes, most are voice mods, but still . . . [01:36:02] about half my KSP mods now marked as compatible with 1.5 [01:36:52] Could you spare some change? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-25/spacex-is-said-to-seek-500-million-leveraged-loan-via-goldman [01:37:16] Eddi: Near Future Technologies doesn't seem to have been updated yet. Though, in good news, SDHI has been updated in the last few weeks! [01:45:18] so, trying to find the setting that controls the button for "focus next object" in tracking station/map view. but i can't find it [01:49:17] i wish the load game menu showed lifetime science instead of current science [01:50:23] First recorded photograph of cislunar AAA https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1810/surveyor3_ap12c_1488.jpg [01:51:52] Unfortunately, towtruck was unable to retrieve caller. [01:55:46] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to Sovengard. [02:00:52] Action: UmbralRaptop was sort of surprised to realize how big the lunar orbiter and surveyor missions were. [02:03:22] (5 orbiters, 7 landers) [02:04:22] isn't earth technically "cislunar"? [02:06:00] also, annoyingly the sun ever so slightly tips over this hilltop nearby, but the solar panel still says "blocked by terrain [02:12:29] technically, yes [02:36:19] why do i keep autojoining kspofficial-unreg [02:38:18] because you're unreg [02:38:38] and this channel is reg-only because of a spam attack [02:43:47] ^ [03:06:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:11:06] Bot spam is continuing [03:48:43] ok... so i took my rover for a ride from my minimus base... [03:49:03] after 3km away i finally got response from my solar panels [03:49:15] stepped on the brakes, tipped over, everything exploded [03:49:44] i probably shouldn't have been going 15m/s :p [04:05:48] Eddi|zuHause UmbralRaptop but I'm registered. [04:06:27] I've got identify in my scripts on connect and it still throws me on the unreg channel [04:27:38] you're not registering early enough [04:27:48] need to put a delay on the join, or something [04:33:38] now, i need to climb from 3232m to 3541m for the solar panels to get (close to?) full sunlight whole minimus day [04:33:50] i don't suppose i can lay down a 3km cable? [04:34:21] hehe that is longer than physics range [04:35:08] so, build a 200m tower? :p [04:35:20] sounds plausible [04:35:21] put the solar panel on top? :p [04:35:30] make it from empty srbs [04:38:52] sorry, i didn't bring empty SRBs to minimus [04:39:24] and sadly i brought only 1 I-beam [04:39:44] but you can bring them now [04:40:08] i can't, i have no kerbals left at KSC [04:40:15] probes [04:40:23] the other ones are on a mun mission [04:40:23] you cant run out of kerbals [04:40:32] space itself is creatign them [04:40:40] at least i harverst them from space [04:41:19] so do i, but i would need empty contract slots for that [04:41:37] there are only like 14 contracts available at a time [04:42:16] and they are filled with "get this thing to duna", "get that thing to duna", "get SOMETHING to duna" [04:42:33] it's like the game wants me to go to duna or something [09:07:35] so send something to duna :P [09:38:58] there is secret dunaians in your KSP, controlling missions. [10:04:32] Action: darsie lost a tourist. Computer used up all EC while waiting for the deorbit burn. [10:04:47] EC? [10:04:51] electric charge [10:05:45] I had to register to join. #KSPOfficial-unreg Channel topic is: #KSPOfficial is now free to join for anyone again. [10:06:56] Someone made fun of freenode cause "all" channes are +r there. Now this one is +r, too. [10:15:51] not anymore [10:16:05] some of channels im in is not +r anymore [10:16:15] freenode implemented server side antispam [12:48:24] ouch https://twitter.com/BNDR_ryohama/status/1055649722759766016 [12:48:24] f°‹y% https://t.co/niEuGMopVl [12:51:25] so, metro 2033 free on steam, do i even want that? [12:52:35] Eddi|zuHause, it adds one more game to your steam account and we all know we can't help to define our self-worth by that [12:59:59] then i have a reall low self-worth... :/ [13:01:53] I'm not a collector either [13:22:07] i dont care about free games normally [13:22:09] but i downloaded this one [13:22:33] i have only completed the prologue, game feels a bit on rails but i havent tried it enough ye [13:51:44] hehe, what a comment [13:51:45] "Explaining Gravity and Motion to Flat Earther" We should do a live crossover stream. You explain gravity to a flat earther and I'll explain algebra to a house brick. Let me just go and call my bookie. My money is on the house brick.ÿ [14:26:32] mabus: it's quiet linear, but intense [14:37:06] Eddi|zuHause, oh. it worked before. i wonder what changed... [14:42:45] Eddi|zuHause Yeah putting a timer (5 seconds!!) on it resolved it. thanks. [14:52:48] o/ [15:42:59] https://twitter.com/doug_ellison/status/1055328628962078727 [15:42:59] It is now Sol 2210 - Curiosity has equaled Spirit for rover mission duration. https://t.co/fNg344PhvD https://t.co/5tjKDXPyeL [16:16:58] why is there no trailer for 1.5? [16:17:06] ok it is a really tiny upgrade, but still [19:51:05] anyway, how is 1.5 not called "Dres for Success" [19:52:18] do it for one planet.. they'd have to do it for all of them [19:53:33] uuuh, what glorious moment :) [19:53:40] i've been topic'd [19:53:49] Action: UmbralRaptop was amused [19:54:31] JVFoxy: are you afraid they run out of updates before they run out of planets? [19:56:24] they just need to add planets [19:56:34] at least one more gas giant would be nice [19:57:42] Jool's a slightly underweight Saturn, anyway [19:58:27] (80x Kerbin, Saturn is 95x Earth) [20:01:04] so moving eeloo a bit out, adding a moon to it maybe, and putting a gas giant between jool and eeloo [20:01:12] at least this much should happen [20:01:41] now maybe for 1.6 they can rework the engine looks if this is the route they wanted to take [20:02:26] or Dres getting a companion? [20:02:41] Eddi|zuHause naw.. not really. I haven't even gone past Mimnus yet [20:02:41] Wusta [20:02:58] planetary rings would be neat [20:03:09] .... weather on kerbin.. [20:03:25] at least weather could run on a separate core [20:03:45] doesnt need to be too sophisticated [20:04:18] Asteroid belt? [20:04:22] This is not Earth. This is Kerbin. [20:04:25] even if its jsut visual cloud system... player can adjust it [20:04:50] no clouds, makes me think dry wasteland.. if not for ice caps [20:05:07] vlouds is one thing [20:05:09] i want winds [20:05:12] They should rather make the solar system better moddable, so we don't have to tilt it to make Earth tilted. [20:05:30] Then mods can add all the planets one wants. [20:05:30] somebody made a mod that has real axial tilt [20:05:46] despite the devs saying it is impossible :) [20:06:26] https://twitter.com/KerbalSpaceP/status/1055852315633164288 [20:06:27] <KerbalSpaceP> This looks cool! ðŸ˜² https://t.co/C21Txfb4ea [20:07:06] don'tk now about impossible... probably just wasn't a priority for them [20:07:47] https://twitter.com/KerbalSpaceP/status/1055157010688294918 [20:07:47] <KerbalSpaceP> Dragons meet #KSP ðŸ‰ðŸš€ https://t.co/kcYO8YsIy4 [20:10:24] ooh... almost forgot [20:10:33] anyone here use dual screens and play KSP on one? [20:13:09] btw why didnt they change the rocket model that is nose in the mun on the menu screen? [20:13:12] inconsistent [20:13:18] they changed the kerbal suit [20:14:23] mun or bust? reference to Kurt's Farlands or Bust? shrug... doesn't bother me. [20:16:02] at least they fixed Val having a visor back one of the updates [20:16:23] that was long ago [20:16:29] or did it happen again? [20:17:14] think latest puts reflections on the visors? [20:17:39] yes [20:17:42] but ya.. for a little bit. Val was without a helmet visor. I hadn't really noticed till I saw someone mention it [20:17:48] with the suit redesign [20:17:59] so it happened again lol [20:19:17] ? [20:19:47] long ago [20:19:55] when the upside down kerbal was changed to valentina [20:20:05] there was no visor for a while [20:21:56] ah the old days... [20:22:24] but anyways.. getting back to dual screen. I guess its more an issue for those that play previous versions ksp after they introduced ability to pick which screen you use [20:23:09] i favor one big screen because it has fewer issues. just as i never make the machine sleep because it also has issues [20:25:03] its just ... when I tried to run an older version, it switched to my alternate screen.. after one of the version updates, how it decides which screen it uses was changed.. gotta manually change windows reg [20:28:16] mun or bust? reference to Kurt's Farlands or Bust? <-- i think " or bust" was a meme long before memes were a meme [20:28:26] yes [20:31:41] "California or bust" - 1849 (I think) [20:32:17] At least that's where I want to type that the meme started [20:32:53] i've read something about farmers in the great plains using "california or bust" in the 1930s, when droughts had them leave their farms to go west [20:33:32] it's a bit fuzzy on whether that's actually the origin, though [20:35:00] Not very helpful, Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_or_Bust [20:42:14] Kurt did get name in credits... [20:42:18] Action: JVFoxy grumbles almost typed kredits [20:44:10] https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7263 [20:47:29] wow what a feat, it's like twice the resolution than when i look out my window [20:47:55] shiny [20:47:57] [20:49:13] suppose to get closer isn't it? [20:50:16] yes, bith cubesats are going to make a flyby and hopefully relay the signals during edl of insight [20:50:20] i do get that the point of the image isn't what's on the image, but to test whether the camera still works [20:51:01] i dont even know what the camera does on this thing [20:51:30] is it intended to watch the parachute open or what? [20:55:48] yay, detached a (retracted) solar panel, put it carefully on the ground, and it explodes... [20:56:00] hehe [20:56:05] in ksp everything explode [20:56:05] s [20:57:10] explodium [20:57:23] who was that one director.. has everything exploding? [20:57:53] michael bay? [20:57:54] Nedelin? [20:59:37] ah.. bay [21:00:08] remember someone did a joke off him.. commercial. Shopping cart chasing after a car. Ends up flying off a cliff, exploding [21:02:20] so each marco has 2 cameras, 752x480, what a resolution lol [21:02:51] the wide angle one is only there to see if the high gain antenna deployed [21:03:20] the other one is going to look at mars during the flyby [21:03:47] or at least it seems so [21:06:40] so basically based on this, the picture was taken by the wide field one [21:07:16] if they used the other one, mars could have been a bit better, but maybe they did not trust they can orient it that finely [21:16:14] .... [21:16:20] how to screen shot title screen? [21:16:25] something weird happened [21:16:42] so, taking a drive with my rover towards that other old lander nearby makes me think i landed on the shadowiest place on minimus pole... [21:17:13] i just use my regular OS screenshot tool (PrtScr key) to take screenshots [21:17:19] .... -squints- anyone else able to read this? https://imgur.com/a/pAGyu4r [21:17:19] https://i.imgur.com/6HZFvVG.jpg [21:18:16] great font you have there, would be ashame if anything happened to it! [21:18:39] load page same thing.... [21:18:47] run game, come back to title screen, back to normal. [21:19:23] Imma reload game just in case anyways.. just thought it was funny [21:19:41] my guess is a fault somewhere between unity and your OS, nothing the game can actually influence much [21:20:28] still contemplating taking apart my rover to move the base [21:22:41] I suspect when I started the game loading, forced it into the background, it burped on something. It used to just crash near the end of the loading back some versions ago. [21:24:07] i would suspect some mod incompatibility there first [21:25:58] perhaps... only its just stock game [21:26:34] then you have a weird graphics driver [21:28:57] well.. as I said. I forced the load into the background... [21:29:19] think the transition hit it at a bad moment [21:51:19] yeah, but just because people rationalised for themselves that "ah well, alt-tab sometimes screws up things" doesn't mean that's the right way that things should work [21:52:12] in the past... if I didn't leave ksp loading up on the screen, usually it would crash [21:52:30] not sure what got fixed.. hasn't been an issue since one of the updates a while back [21:53:48] i've found some article attributing the origin of " or bust" to some gold rush in colorado in the 1850s/60s [21:54:22] but that also doesn't sound very credible as the actual first origin [22:03:13] lol.. went to undo a part move, ends up removing fuel (was doing balance check), to go launch plane. Massive fire blast despite lack of fuel [22:04:38] all parts are made of a combination of explosive plastic and explosive aluminium [22:05:36] and... plane flies like junk anyways [22:05:42] gets off but pitch just rubish... [22:06:08] was trying twin engine version of tiny flier... single engine seemed to turn better, but lacked acceleration.. [22:10:56] keep meaning to do a multi objective mission... [22:11:11] constantly landing on steep slopes on teh mun gets a little.. discourging [22:11:59] JVFoxy: Try Minmus ;). [22:12:39] Eventually... there I can do a lot more. Though I'll wanna stay longer since getting out there takes time. [22:13:02] just.. one contract asks me to do mun orbit.. [22:20:18] you could make a mun flyby to minimus, and disconnect a satellite there that makes mun orbit [22:21:02] during mun PE separate the satellite and make an insertion burn with only that, the other ship continues (or uses gravity assist) [22:21:49] as it is.. craft has 3 sci juniors, designed to land, a few experiments, take off, ditch everything but canister and probe. return [22:22:19] having to do a minor redesign though.. [22:22:44] 3 sci junior sounds excessive [22:22:44] that little heatshield does squat.. having to uprate it. more weight.. [22:23:03] 1 sci junior for high mun or bit, 1 for low, 1 for surface [22:23:22] dump results into can, eject back to kerbin [22:23:34] wouldn't it be easier to add a capsule and a scientist to reset one sci junior? (have more things to return though) [22:24:58] crewed mission, would need pod for pilot and scientist.. [22:25:31] if I'm using a probe instead of pilot, may as well just robotic the whole thing. 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