[00:16:13] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:20:13] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget_zzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:58:18] ve2dmn: and the mission version put Relay North in the right spot. Need to wait 19d for Relay South. [01:59:11] Next feature to add: deploy both relays from the same launch vehicle. One will have to wait 19d to engage but whatever. [01:59:48] After that, the only really hard/fun thing I can think to add is a third satellite in keosynchronous orbit over KSC, but I think I'd rather launch three identical ones in semisynchronous orbit. [02:06:32] I once put 3 relay sats in Duna orbit from the same vehicle. They were small enough to fit on a tri-adapter [02:10:20] Those are the things I try to design. [02:10:37] For this mission I might use a quad adapter, and have the fourth one host the brains of the mission (kOS is how I roll these days) [03:05:53] I usually put my comsats around kerbin up one by one on small rockets but for other bodies I tend to do one big launch with a carrier craft that holds all my comsats for that body, usually 5 (3 equatorial, 2 high eccentricity polar) [03:09:21] I did a crewed comsat deployment around Minmus... I managed to crap two coms into one service bay. The second service bay had extra fuel, batts and relay antennea [03:09:38] ...... oh... umm. cram.. not crap. >.> [03:09:43] lol [03:10:09] though.. in a way, service bay did end up plopping out the relays anyways. [03:11:00] I swear.. been noticing my mind says one thing, fingers type out someth'n different sometimes [03:12:06] I do the same sometimes when I've just woken up an hour or two ago and am multitasking in my head [03:12:18] it's like I let the language center run wild without oversight [03:40:07] https://i.gyazo.com/70b094d855d681fb8d9a407dd5b37c36.png - The head of the Flat Kerbin Society wanted to settle the matter once and for all. He was never seen again. [03:45:55] Draconiator: amusing thing: need to get to only 150m ASL for Earth's horizon to drop 0.2 degrees (3mm at 1m) [04:00:02] Hmm.. how many spider engines does it take to lift a kerbal... [04:12:02] aww yeah this argon engine looks awesome [04:12:29] https://imgur.com/YMdD2tf [04:12:30] https://i.imgur.com/YMdD2tf.jpg [04:15:12] x [04:20:42] RandomJeb: a five-satellite carrier craft exceeds my capabilities at the moment. I'll be tres excited if I can get the three-equatorial probe approach. [04:20:54] what is with my connection... [04:56:38] moon ultralight... [04:56:51] Hmm. I think my first attempt at a launch vehicle has the dV necessary. Now it needs independent solar/comms so I can keep the probe's stuff shut down until it's ready to take off. [04:57:27] basically a chair strapped to three oscar tanks, set of 4 spider engines, a batt, little reaction wheel... landed from 15km up. got up to 100km orbit, even after cruising around the surface for a bit. [04:58:02] That's practically an ejection seat [04:58:29] ya but it did so well... [04:59:23] I puttered from one spot to another about 10 or 20 km away, settled. then launched into 100km orbit because there was still enough fuel [05:00:21] I thought I was going to end up with less than half on the descent from 15km.. it used far less than I was expecting. Granted. I guess I could have used a command pod to refuel my RCS tank on the kerbal but eh.. [05:00:36] And checking the resonant orbit calculator, my probe is _overkill_. 3500m/s, I need 84.57. [05:01:44] I was just messing around.. ugh now suddenly so tired [05:18:51] In fact, I'm now considering changing my style from the triadapter, I wonder if I could do something gross with docking ports. [05:23:16] ok who is it with the 5 character name [05:23:24] 50 character name i mean [06:17:30] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+b AccordingToAllKnownLawsOfAviat!*@*' by TheKosmonaut!sid152460@id-152460.ealing.irccloud.com [06:17:55] Don't need a name that long. Especially someone that tries to paste the Bee Movie script into the channel. [06:18:03] Thank goodness his client crashed last he tried. [09:03:16] I am seriously considering writing a compiler backend to kOS machine code. Am I insane? or am I not insane enough? [09:11:30] what compiler? [09:16:16] kubi: I was thinking I'd take TCC and hack it to porduce kOS [09:45:00] By my calculation, my ship has 4200 delta v. that ought to be enough to get to Duna orbit [09:48:20] but kerbal engineer disagrees by a wide margin [10:04:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:33:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:45:21] oh boy it's christmas again https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/406761530378551296/DSC_8314.JPG [10:45:29] exept I got this when I was like 10 [10:55:09] also https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/292820311760699392/406761567590285322/DSC_8315.JPG [11:07:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:35:28] uh [11:35:35] im out of 5mm power jacks [11:53:26] Oh noes! [11:57:06] this means that I need to find another way of powering my 2nd CB [11:58:30] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pc_-ruSq7M [11:58:31] YouTube - Tractorpulling FAIL Compilation!! #4 [12:06:42] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:11:32] mfw I handwrote '550' on a printout of a technical drawing and then read it as '590' several times [12:12:36] and of course I didn't create my CAD model in a way that allows me to just change one variable to fix it [12:13:36] every goddamn time I do something the long and complicated way it turns out to be a waste of time, and every goddamn time I take a shortcut it turns out to cost a lot of time [12:14:09] kinda like programming. You get better at that [12:47:21] I've got a sky map with the telescope too [12:47:22] nice [12:47:52] so let's say I want to look ath the sky tonight at 11pm [12:48:03] I will be able to see a whole bunch of stars [12:48:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:08:28] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:08:28] Fluburtur: Orion nebula? Beehive cluster? M81 & M82? [15:08:33] so I just spotted a food crumb on my desk and instinctively almost ate it [15:08:52] orion yeah [15:08:56] but the color was a bit weird so i took a closer look and it appears to be leaded solder [15:09:16] beehive not sure [15:09:27] andromeda [15:09:49] it's a thing for begineers and the map isn't that big so i guess it only has the easiest to observe [15:11:08] Pleiades, Hyades, double cluster, M35-38, and 41 if you want more open clusters. [15:11:51] yeah [15:11:57] the messier catalogue is nice [15:12:12] and I have done like no serious space observation yet [15:14:42] I should try to hook up my camera to the thing too [15:23:38] oh cool I can do that [15:23:53] exept the un-inverting lens inverts the view for the camera [15:24:11] so I will try to glue it to the 90 angle mirror thing [15:31:13] so since everything looks huge in CAD I decided to zoom out to real size [15:32:26] I sometimes model stuff with ridiculous precision and then im like "wait no thats useless" [15:33:02] so apprently high detail 3d printing reaches higher resolutions than my monitor [15:33:49] 3d printing accuracy of the average printer is like between 0.2 and 0.4mm since that's the usual nozzle size [15:34:40] ...should actually be lower than nozzle diameter I think [15:34:54] well it depends how you print it [15:35:03] layer height can be very low [15:35:18] but with is always the size of the nozzle or slightly larger [15:35:22] width* [15:35:38] disclaimer: I have never operated a printer myself [15:36:53] basically right now I'm doing the axle bearing of this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/JNR205-TR235.jpg [15:38:04] there are good tutorials for bearings [15:38:22] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o4Fj8OxkB8 [15:38:22] YouTube - Design a parametric, 3d-printable Slew Bearing with Fusion 360 [15:38:31] it's just gonna be a fake bearing [15:38:43] oh then it's fine [15:38:57] I should try to make a double conical bearing [15:39:03] good radial and axial loads [15:39:26] except that there still needs to be enough material in there to support the weight of the model [15:39:53] it's all in the design [15:40:19] but well, I can't give you any advice unless I have the thing in my hands so I will let the design part to you [15:41:33] so according to the NMRA standards each car should weight 156 gram [15:42:47] wonder how heavy a motor car could get [15:43:38] most of those are painful to watch https://youtu.be/FuiUd13Mt5g [15:43:38] YouTube - RC CRASHE'S HELICOPTER,JETS,AIRPLANE MIX 2017 [15:45:03] the problem is that I have literally no idea what I'm doing [15:45:20] what's with that title? [15:45:49] somehow nobody in the model rail hobby ever wrote a comprehensive guide about engineering your own rolling stock [15:48:20] There were several articles in the early 70's in Model Railroad Magazine [15:49:37] Alanonzander, their website lists back issues to '86 [15:50:14] Maybe it was Model Railroader [15:50:54] Alanonzander, also I presume they are mostly about scratchbuilding? most scratchbuilders use commercial locomotive frames and bogies [15:51:10] full range [15:51:22] depending on the issue [15:51:29] can I take pics of the moon with my camera mounted on the telescope or will the sensor get too hot? [15:51:39] if it goes more in depth than that it would be very interesting to see [15:52:14] I know for a fact there was an article on scratchbuilding a cattle car in the late 70's, since my father and I used to to build one. [15:52:43] Fluburtur: Moon is safe, sun requires special filters. [15:52:45] there's so little scratch and kit building content online [15:52:49] alright [15:53:01] I can open only half the aperture of mine if I need [15:53:13] I wish they hadn't been destroyed when the basement flooded. Reading issues #1 would be interesting today. [15:53:16] and I know I can do indirect observation of the sun [15:53:29] however I think I friend a lens like that [15:53:32] Alanonzander, I built a chinese boxcar, and misplaced it somewhere [15:53:34] fried* [15:53:43] Fluburtur: :( [15:53:56] I fried the filter too [15:54:07] plastic in the lens was melted [15:54:19] however he lens itself seems to be fine [15:54:48] I guess I can use other lenses with bigger glass elements [15:54:56] to dissipate the heat voer a larger area [15:55:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:55:41] anyways I have to go take a shower [15:57:26] Alanonzander, https://twitter.com/glsfrg/status/915930671608209408 and https://twitter.com/glsfrg/status/929336326326861825 [15:57:27] HOg&- https://t.co/VJJMukur7u [15:59:24] Alanonzander, oh and the terrible mess in the 3rd and 4th pic here https://twitter.com/glsfrg/status/929705547988746240 [15:59:25] ɤĞnpngdQ_իLn\_Wf_ kwbkYnoPW]F`Qi& ۚg1/87n KSh[f_h'MYNjDKj #DS!& https://t.co/oJM3hHq0Fy [16:00:40] hmmm [16:03:09] Alanonzander, the thing with that car is that someone else was going to design the 3d printed bogies for it but hasn't finished them yet [16:03:48] I don't think he has given up because I thought that three times before and then he came back each time [16:04:30] once I finish my DT50 bogies I will test them on that car even if they are completely wrong for it [16:25:53] :) [16:32:07] Does anyone know of an online tool to help me size power and comms requirements for missions? [16:32:39] i.e., I want to relay reliably from say 100Mm, which antenna do I need and how much power will it require? [16:33:31] i think there was somethin for remotetech [16:33:46] no that was orbit calculator [16:43:16] I have a resonant orbit calculator I like. My probes are "too big" and my new idea on delivering them will facilitate the smallest probe core plus antenna/battery/solar. [16:43:36] Right now the "high gain antenna" (forget its name) is the antenna I'm using as it's the first relay antenna we get. [16:43:48] But I don't know the power requirements for CommNet service. [16:49:56] Althego: your mention of remotetech encouraged me to change my search terms, now I have a spreadsheet someone made for signal strength and antenna selection. [16:52:29] Hrm, the spreadsheet does not show relay mode support for HG-55 with DSN1. [16:53:01] I can't tell if it's a spreadsheet deficiency or operator error :-) [16:54:06] operator error I picked the wrong antenna whee [16:54:50] otherwise known as pebkac [16:56:31] Okay, with the right antenna at DSN1 it's 4% signal strength at SOI border, for DSN2 it's 92%. I don't think that's an unreasonable restriction for my network. [16:57:02] So that answers "which antenna". Now to find the power requirements. [16:58:24] The only power stuff I see is for transmitting science. [16:58:33] Not for remote control, which is what I care about for the most part. [17:11:56] I just decided I will refer to web browsers as 'slowsers' from now on [19:34:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:20:55] It is really frustrating to require separate installs for games with different mods. [20:21:54] In related news, TIL the stock tech tree has only two "and" dependencies, everything else is "or". [20:22:17] Nuclear Propulsion requires Adv. Fuel Systems and Heavier Rocketry, Large Volume Containment requires Adv. Fuel Systems or Specialized Construction. [20:22:58] nuke is one of them [20:23:05] Ion is the other. [20:23:11] Science Tech and Unmanned Tech [20:23:12] but who uses ions [20:23:30] I'm writing a spreadsheet for designing small(-ish) probes. [20:24:05] So if I track every part's tech level, I can determine the max tech levels for each vessel. [20:24:45] And just checked in my virgin install, those two are 'requires all', the rest are 'requires any'. [20:37:38] Action: darsie uses ions. [20:38:02] Action: darsie also uses ants. [21:07:31] I like ants when I don't yet have the "normal"-looking tiny engine. [21:23:07] Hrm. Assuming a perfect synchronous orbit around Kerbin, how much time is spent in the dark? [21:23:45] There are tables on the Wiki, IIRC [21:23:57] Also, some mods provide calculators for that [21:24:27] And TIL there are online ones too: http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~bnichols8/projects/kspdarkness/main.shtml [21:26:30] https://i.gyazo.com/b51a2dff57609d9e681c20218817c930.png - Testing a new design, each core has 16 Thuds clipped together [21:27:34] Kerbal Slideshow Program? [21:28:06] I didn't see a table but I did search. I'm out of the game at the moment on a computer that can't play it. :-( That mod looks pretty good, though. [21:29:32] And that URL you linked gave a link to 'Orbit_darkness_time' which is the wiki page with the aforementioned table. [21:29:53] Alas, the table is for a circular orbit at a non-synchronous altitude. [22:03:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:05:01] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:07:22] Okay, I've got a probe spreadsheet that tells me the amount of time it can run in the dark, the time required to recharge, the total cost and mass, plus the maximum part size. [22:07:42] Calculating the techs required to build the probe is hard. [22:09:06] If the probe requires Basic Science, Advanced Electrics, Unmanned Tech and Precision Engineering, then the code should output Unmanned Tech, Advanced Electrics. [22:09:40] (PE is a prereq of UT, BS is a prereq of AE, Electrics is a prereq of PE and AE) [22:14:49] If anyone out there is an Excel/Google-Sheets wizard with this stuff, feel free to reach out to me for more details.